Lol, as opposed to the higher level flights that aren't playing just for fun, they are playing for huge amounts of money and contracts, or to reach the Champions League. get a grip. Its all for fun - they are 15 years old. The only place it isn't for fun is at the real academy teams. And none of the teams on this board are that type of team.
So sick of the academy BS. Yes the academy teams have players that are very good, but not the entire roster is that great. There are MANY non academy players that could play on these academy teams but choose not too. If you feel that isn't so, you are flat out wrong. If the academy teams feel so strongly about themselves, why not play a Stronghold or Marlboro or SDFC. Might the academy team win, yes of course but I think you might be very surprised at some of the non academy talent out there.
The same goes for your "amazing" SDFC, SSC, Marlboro, Marlton. Other players would fit in fine on those teams. Players on these teams aren't the "chosen ones"so get real. Soccer is a simple game, it's not that difficult for a good coach to get good results. If he knows where to play his players to get the most out of them and the team has been together for many years, you will see the results.
Hmmm, 11:27 I suppose you have anger issues. Who are you arguing with? Yourself!!!!! No one said your little guy couldn't play on the top teams. Unless he tried out and didnt make it :)
EDP winter showcase is the first big tournament out of the box. Flights should be out soon.
Flights and schedules are out for EDP CUP/MSSL Showcase
EDP cup is not the first big event, I would say Bethesda is.
EDP is a top tournament, you dont have to go to Bethesda to get exposure. As EDP relates to NJ teams you have SDFC/SSC/Marlboro/SJEB in the top flight. That is 50% of the teams in the top flight alone. 2nd flight has Marlton.3rd has Holmdel and Jersey Knights4th has Jersey Boca, Howell and TSF. Not sure why Howell keeps getting the ugly stepchild placements.
They are the same weekend. I'm sure it'll be warmer in Bethesda.
What do you mean when you say 50% of teams in the top flight? You named 4 teams.
Bethesda and EDP are not on the same weekend. There are 8 teams in the top flight, 4 from NJ, equaling 50%.
Hope that the division on u16b 2nddiv. central changes a lot. Better teams in the maps elite north as far as head to head competition and rankings. Ironbound and Hudson should not be there and Den of Lions and Stallions should replace these 2 teams. Not sure what the director is looking at...
Agreed, it almost looks like some teams asked to be placed in lower flights.
Bethesda is this weekend, going to be cold. Glad now my sons team is not going. Good luck to the NJ teams but what I looked at wont be easy for them.Marlboro placed in the top flight and drew the #1 team in the country. SJEB highly placed and no easy games.STA highly placed, but a bit of an easier road.Marlton placed a bit too low and should win their group
Agreed that Marlton is too low. They should be higher and I expect will show that after the weekend.
Maybe the schedulers know Howell better then you all do. 1 game and they are out of the EDP cup.
To all u Howell haters ... Tournament won!
Howell, that cant be you can it? No way you are bragging about beating those teams are you? I understand you played and won but those are barely travel teams.
I watched the final waiting for the next game. It was a good competitive final. Good soccer, slightly too small field, and ref called it a little too soft. Was good game to watch if you like high school age soccer. Not sure why the derogatory remarks about the teams - they all had some good physical players. This board is so stuck back in the "when they were 12 years old" mentality.
Good and competitive compared to what? Let's start with this, if your son is U16 and is playing at the Howell tournament then we know the teams are neither good nor competitive. Howell tournament is a step above rec. Howell I am sure didnt want to be there.
Looks like jersey teams did poorly at Bethesda.. Marlboro and sjeb came in last in their groups
3:06 thanks for the update. Did you look at the NJ teams closely. Lets start at the top.Marlboro, played 3 games, scored 3 goals, gave up 3 goals. Played 3 state champions one of which is the #1 team in the country. SJEB, playing in a very high flight didnt seem to do great but lets be honest, those are top National teams.STA, went 1-1-1 in the next flight scoring 3 goals, giving up only 5. Marlton, 1 win, 2 ties, came in 2nd in their group. This was too a very tough group of teams.So, it is very easy to dismiss the NJ teams but you should look at the facts.
The facts is the NJ state champions could not compete with other state champions, last place in their group is the fact. Stop making excuses for the team that represents NJ as state champion.
Wow what a dunce you are. They played 3 games, best the flight winner and lost tbe other two by 1 goal. If you think that us a bad weekend then go ahead. Did your team go? If they did then they were looking up at them. If you didn't go to the top tournament then you have other issues. I hope you are not from my sons team because if do you should know that is what we aspire to do
Please do tell us your sons team
Sounds like marlboro Man is posting again.Welcome back
I am 9:13, not from Marlboro and I stand by my statement. SDFC, SSC and Marlboro get crushed on here when they lose, but what people fail to realize is the level of competition is far greater then any other team in NJ is playing. People are either clueless or outright evil in what they are saying, someone has to speak the truth.
And it begins again. I can tell you this first hand as my son's team has scrimmaged some of the top ranked teams recently. The top 5 are in fact ranked that way for a reason, they are good.
None can touch MF. Now that MF will be playing them all will see the truth of soccer balance. Until then, Happy Thanksgiving
BS alert! Nobody I know at MF would be silly enough to post something like that. Happy Thanksgiving!BTW, watched the first half of Marlboro against Arlington. Thought Marlboro had the better of the play although they were down 2-1 at halftime. Soccer...
Why would you watch the first half?
Ummm, I had time to kill.
No PDA College Showcase this year.
Any predictions EDP cup SDFC vs SSC
Glad to see them back, SDFC vs SSC...good competition once again!....NJ has some really good teams up in this age group...Marlboro, Holmdel, Barons....Good Luck Boys..
Let's see who they bring. SSC loves guest players
I am sure they will bring the best team they can put together
EDP Cup update: Marlboro lost both games today. Team looks very weak.
My son plays for SDFC and we did play right after Marlboro 2x today. They were not the same team I saw last year so I asked a parent. Missing 6 starters due to injury.
Marlboro had the same team today as they had when winning the state cups. Don't make excuses about injuries unless you are admitting to not having depth on the bench and then navle to pickup good additional players because you are a town team.
Enough with Marlboro. How did SDFC and SSC do today?
FYI - SSC did not bring any guest to the EDP tournament. My son plays on Marlboro and I know some parents on the team. We didn't have the result we wanted today but do have a lot of current injuries. It happens to all teams.
I just looked up the results of the EDP Cup and the competition seams very stiff. Best of luck to the NJ teams. I'm not surprised Marlboro lost both games.
SDFC did just fine. It is early and all the top teams are getting back into it. SSC will be a great opponent Sunday and believe this all other teams. It is a different world when you play in a top flight of a top tournament. Much higher level then most will ever see. So win lose or draw tomorrow we know it isn't the end if the world.
How many points does the EDP Cup represent?
EDP Cup update:1.SDFC wins final 2-02.SSC wins 3-0 for third place 3.Marlboro does not place in the tournament
SSC was not in the final based on goal differential. Tough luck.
SSC deserved better. Will show better in the future
Congratulations SDFC!! Way to go boys, excuse me, young men!
YO!, 4:20 SSC wasn't in the final because they lost to SDFC. Forget about goal differential.
YO!!!SDFC and SSC both had 6 pts. at the end of 3 games.
The tie breaker used to determine placement when 2 teams are tied was head to head competition. SDFC beat SSC in the preliminary round and advanced to the finals.
Both very good teams. No need to bash beat them up on a website. Marlton did a nice job this weekend also.
It was a very tough tournament and the two top teams without a doubt was SSC and SDFC. The result is all in the way the ball bounces that day for both teams. Both teams will represent NJ at the Disney tournament and I predict one of them will win it all.
SSC still playing with players that are not on the team. When will they stop?
Congrats to SDFC. And to SSC and Marlboro for competing at a high level over the weekend. I'm interested in hearing more opinions about the range of teams just below SDFC, SSC, and Marlboro though. It seems like the conversation is always focused on these three, and they are deserving in that they are very good teams, but there are many other quality teams that don't get the acclaim these three do, but are maybe not so far behind. Looking at the rankings, say from #5 Marlton to Hudson #21. Who in that group might be ready to challenge for a spot in the top tier--or will it simply remain as is?
STA and Marlton are very good teams and can compete with the others on any given day. I have a son that plays for SJEB and I feel that we are on the right track but just are not consistent enough at this time. We played Marlboro over the weekend and had a result of a tie but I know they were missing many players, well I should say I was told they were missing many players. I personally thought that Stronghold was the best team we played but honestly in the top bracket they were all very very good. Marlton did a great job but they were a few flights down so it doesn't really reflect the same. Holmdel has made a bit of a comeback but again they are not playing the best teams yet. Just my opinion, no offense meant to SDFC who was very impressive also.
SSC, SDFC, Marlboro, SJEB, Marlton are the top 5 teams in nj and could all compete on any given sunday some teams not that far behind but still ways to go before entering the top 5.
any thoughts on who might not be far behind the top 5? What about teams like Den of Lions, Greater Flemington, Galacticos, Stallions, Hudson, TSF?
I think that would be very difficult to tell since they never play one another (exception Galacticos who did in the State cup). Galacticos had a great run last year but I would think they wouldnt win a game against the other teams most times. My son plays for a team that was top 10 and no longer is so I have a frame of reference. There is a big difference between #10 and #3, the top teams never get an easy game and play in the top flights of the tournaments. Of course it is possible to contend, but these teams would have to add dominant players not just add the same level players that they already have. I guess the state cup will be a good gauge.
SSC expert please tell us which player/players that played this past weekend are not part of the team..
BOCA, TSF, DOL Stallions, Princeton etc, you will all get your chance to compete with the higher ranked teams in the State comps. This is really the only place it will occur.
every SSC player used this weekend is on the team zero guest players.
A lesser ranked team that feels they can compete with a higher ranked team could arrange a scrimmage. I'm sure there are some underdogs out there that may surprise everyone.
Good for you SSC, welcome to the the world that the rest of us play in.
I agree with 11:36. I wish my team would do that. Why don't you coaches do this?
Let's stop the negativity against SSC and state facts:They did not advance to the finals based on goal differential.They lost to a better SDFC team.They played very well the entire tournament.SDFC is clearly the team to beat.Great job boys!
What? Lets stop the negativity by being negative? SDFC and SSC or the Hatfields and McCoys.
SDFC parent, your team won. It wasn't an overwhelming victory. Your team won 3 out of 4 games. So did SSC. Your team beat them by 1 goal. The teams are equally competitive. Winning doesn't tell the whole story. Luck is always a factor.
Why cant we just say they are both great. Why not?
Because there are too many people on this website who think the only way to build their own team up is by tearing other teams down. Never understood that...
None of the teams being discussed are great. They are very good teams. If the hand ball had been called against SDFC in the waning minutes of the game against SJEB, Falcons would have been in the finals. Does this make either of those teams lesser than they are?
It makes you less of a man to even make that statement.
What does that even mean? He's being honest. You're being unreasonable.
Honest? In his opinion it was a handball but in the opinion of the only person that matters, the referee, it was not. Stop crying Stronghold.
I'm interested to see what happens at the Disney showcase. SSC and SDFC will battle again. If one of you wins it all, that will be very impressive. Very good teams there.
SSC and SDFC won't play each other but it will still be interesting to see how they do.
Is it possible that SSC and SDFC can get their own section on this blog. Let them bash one another and the rest of us can live in peace.
just here to say that the only reason sdfc won the finals in the edp cup, sdfc's keeper named dani veliu kept them in the game with spectacular saves in the dying moments of the game a little lucky with the post but thats part of the game congrats to them looking forward to see them in CASL and Disney.
he isn't my son, my son plays for pda academy, and my son used to play for sdfc.
Your son plays for PDA but you were at the SDFC game, and your posting on here about SDFC. OK you are right, moron.
If the administrator of this blog reviews the posts daily, I have a suggestion that others may agree to:Is it possible to create an SSC, SDFC blog? It would alleviate a great deal of negativity.
Actually, it might eliminate this blog. SDFC and SSC are the two that all compare themselves too.
Are you for real??? How arrogant you are. The world will go on without those two teams!
PDA parent, just curious, do you think there is a big difference in the level of play in academy soccer and the top club teams?
My son played for an academy team last year. Is there a difference, yes but minor. The difference is depth or lack of it.
the top players on both sdfc and ssc could play academy and many have some are back because they want to be able to play in HS, or want to play in their best position, or simply to get more playing time the above post is correct about the major dif being depth as opposed to level of play sdfc and ssc could easily beat lower academy teams that are creamed by NYRB and PDA ( Met Oval, Seacoast etc )
Lets be honest 1:01, or not asked back. However, there is no doubt that SDFC, Marlboro, SSC, Marlton and STA could all play with academy teams. Problem is they cant ever prove this because of the mixture of 98/99 and how it is done in the academy system.
To the person who posted about hand ball(handling). As a current ref it is definitely the most controversial and s jective call(noncall). First it has to be deliberate, second was the player making themselves bigger(spreading arms wide), third proximity. Finally did the player gain an advantage..all has to be decided in real time taking in level of play and flow of game..all this is why it is so controversial.
Agreed. Tough call to make either way. Your plan has to be to play better and make the ref's decisions not matter.
" Let's be honest" ???? on an anonymous soccer blog??? now there's one for you!!!!
Super-y finals began today. Does anyone care about super y anymore?
9:29 my son gets playing time but for real i think its back to playing club its not because he hates academy, hes a quality player but he just misses playing highschool soccer, and academy takes everything too serious club is where it's at nowadays
I agree 100 % my son had spot on academy but chose to go back to original club team, main reason missed playing with his both on club and high school teams.
Good luck son and all the boys of SDFC in North Carolina. I hope you all represents NJ well....
There is absolutely no way that teams like Marlboro can compete against full academy teams unless your definition of compete is to survive the 80 minutes; pack the box; hope for your keeper to have a career day and hope for generous and sympathetic calls from the referees. Marlboro would be hard pressed to compete against the academies club teams. Marlboro does not do well against any out of state competition against average teams and they can't score goals when needed. They are a nice team for players of average ability and who at one time or another were on academy teams before realizing that they were not good enough to make the full academy team. The truth is hard to find if you are not willing to look for it.
9:50 You are such an expert. I am not a Marlboro parent, these boys are 15/16 yrs old. They are doing what is necessary to compete at a high level. Win some, loose most games- some of them are good enough to get noticed in spite of team losses. Coaches are watching individual performances. So what academy does your son play on?Btw, they are loosing to top notch teams. Those losses are better than wins against average teams. My sons team is in a similar situation. The team is learning through this process and in spite of draws and losses, my son played excellent soccer.Winning is not everything. Sure is good but player development does not stop due to losses.
Well that was random. Why Marlboro was even brought up is beyond me. Made me look however and their last tournament they lost 1 and tied 2 in the top flight of teams. Is that really a bad showing? So I looked at the one prior, they went 1-1-1 again in the top flight. I dont know what you expect but that seems like a more than respectable showing to me. Ok, if they were in the 4th flight and had the same results, maybe you would be on to something. Do I think my sons team is better, yes I do. But they will need to show it on the field as I suspect they will. Everyone said the same thing about the Falcons when they didnt win all of their tournaments and I had the same answer then, who does at the top level. No one.
Sorry, 9:50, please explain to me when Marlboro, SDFC, SSC play "average" teams. They are always in the highest flights. Clueless you are.
The word is lose...not loose.The top teams are in the academy. The next best teams (level 2) are in some cases the state's #1-3 teams but even here, some states #1 are not that good. This is not a knock at Marlboro. But they are not a team that plays technical soccer nor are they big winners against the majority of games they play against level 2 teams. Let's not argue about the academies. They are level 1. The next tier is not a group that Marlboro has shown they can beat consistently. Saying that other NJ teams are equally average against other state's level 2 teams does not make Marlboro any better. They are a nice catch all team that still is in business and for average players is a nice soccer experience.
So Academy expert is also hanging around the club teams and has time to see them all. Interesting.
I can speak from an SDFC point of view. SDFC is a talented group of players and yes I do believe this team can compete with very well many academy level teams. I also have great respect for Stronghold as they have long been a great competitor of ours. In the past couple of years Marlboro has moved up the ranks, beat our team and we have since scrimmaged them a couple of times and they too deserve great respect. I am not sure but it seems someone has an axe to grind or simply does not understand the level of play these teams have attained. Yes, they will all lose matches, they all play top 20 teams nationally.
And the Marlboro strategy for recent improvement? Get rid of all of the Marlboro kids.
Hey Marlboro. They would not be talking about you if you were not good. You obviously have shown you can compete with anyone. Great job. And congrats to sdfc for a good win in NC today!
Why should Marlboro be held to different standards than everyone else? This isn't U 12 soccer, if they have players from outside of Marlboro it is because they are better. It is clear they are better now than they were SDFC doesn't have just Montclair players. SSC has players from all over. Marlton isn't all marlton etc. such hate
Let us guess. The Marlboro parent manager's kid is still on the team but few other Marlboro kids? What a surprise.
8:23 thank you for outing yourself. Everyone can now stop blaming other teams for the negative posts on Marlboro as there is an ex players father or mother who just cant let it go. Now on to the important stuff, games today, good luck to all.
I was always under the impression that Marlboro was a town team made up of Marlboro players, at least the majority of the team is Marlboro players. The same with Marlton, Parsippany, Bloomfield, etc. SDFC and SSC are clubs that have players from all over.
They were until the dad realized they couldn't win with Marlboro players and the trainer/coach couldn't develop the Marlboro players. They then did what everyone else does. Recruit a better team.
Jealousy is such a harmful way to live your life. I give teams like Marlton and Marlboro credit for not only competing with the top clubs but beating them also at times. Parsippany? Bloomfield? You show your ignorance.
The issue is are they town teams or not. According to their websites, they are clubs for their residents. I guess since winning is so important, the fact that town clubs exist for their residents is ignored.
That is what you have? Town or not town debate?
Nutbag you are. Name a competitive U16 team that doesn't utilize players from all over? Hell, name a U16 team that has more then half their team from one town. I dont know the Marlboro situation but I know in my town most of the turnover came from players leaving not being cut. They all felt it was a badge of honor to play somewhere else. You must have serious issues even making this a topic at this level. U10, ok maybe you have a point. Move on and grow up.
sdfc beat pateadores, and santa clara, tied michigan jaguars and scottsdale blackhawks.... sdfc is doing very well on top of their bracket going into disney.
anyone know what is up with EDP website? When I try to go to it, some strange domain managing site comes up . . .
What? SDFC did NOT win every game they played? Just kidding. Some dope will feel they didnt have a good weekend.
Any other tournament news from the NJ teams?
SDFC is two games away from being in the national championships in Oklahoma, SSC? Thats a joke. SDFC is the team to beat nationally. They developed some great players and matured enough to win consistently, they only lost one game in the past 3 months.
Win when it matters!
Personally I am pulling for SDFC as I would for any of the top teams we normally play. If they sucked what would that say about our team? I would love to see SDFC win it all and then have the chance to beat the champs.
SDFC , the team to beat nationaly? my aren't we a bit full of ourselves? your hubris will most likely cause you to not even win state in the spring, what will you brag about then ? geez i thought ssc was bad when it came to this, but you have now taken it to all time low!
lol we'll see in the spring buddy
Who said SDFC was the team to beat nationally? I dont see that anywhere. Comprehension skills anyone?
Dec 15 8.34No one likes a braggart.
i dont see anyone bragging, please show me where this occurred. Tough to be on top SDFC, people make S up.
SDFC did beat both current National Champions this monthUSYS National Champions lost to SDFC 3-2 in National league play this past week in NC.USCLub National Champions SSC lost to SDFC 3-2 earlier this month at the EDP Cup.Nice Job SDFC. We look forward to playing you in the spring.
Who are those teams?
Current USYS National Champion is Pateadores from Southern California.
Wow, SDFC must be amazing. My sons team will not play them ever but I hope to be able to catch a game down in Hammonton in the spring.
Just reading this months comments. It appears that there are instigators on here starting fights. My son playsbfor SJEB and I was at the EDP cup games. I have to say that SSC and SDFC were clearly the best two teams. Hota got mowed down again by NJ. As for the SSC/SDFC game. SDFC got a fake foul and a PK goal. Any team would take the goal and players flopping in the box all the way up to the pros is normal. However SDFC had a hand ball in their own box and the ref said play on and didn't give SSC the PK. Unfair but part of the game. SSC was controlling the tempo of the entire game and should have won. However it wasn't their day and it is what it is. Any giving day either of those two teams can win. What I was surprised about was to see all the parents positively chatting with each bother and the boys are all friends with each other. There is no hatred between both teams.. It's all made up on this blog.Anyway SJEB will continue to be at the top and I predict a 1st or second place win in both state cups. Good luck to all and keep it fun for the boys.
1:03, I didnt believe you the first time and since you posted it twice I had the chance to not believe you again.
All friends? No jealousy? Polite in person but plenty of back stabbing when you're not looking.Parents are worse than the kids.
SJEB parent chose to watch SSC rather than watch their own son who played at the same time? Interesting
If SDFC and SSC are such fantastic teams, why haven''t they been given academy status?
11:23 the reason why they dont recieve academy status is because you have to have a few facilities, home fields.. etc.
That is only part of the reason. NJSA has facilities? NJ had too many academies as it was, see the exit of MF. Fact is you will never know if they can play with or beat an academy team because the academies will never play such a game.
I heard that NJCSA don't have their own facilities and their going to lose academy status, Cedar Stars is taking their place. The academy system doesn't make a lot of sense.All the teams in it are supposed to be top quality but top club teams are just as good as many academy teams.
How does that not make sense. It is like the rest of the world, it is who you know.
And money talks. LOL! Cedar Stars bought NJSA even though the club is 3 yrs, old,
They bought academy status. What does that tell you.
If SDFC and SSC are so good and as good as academy teams then why do they take the players cut from academy teams
8:00pm ....that's a low blow. What do you care where players come from?....clubs are not prejudice as to what clubs you've played before. So what is your point?
How was that a low blow? The conversation was is SDFC or SSC better or as good as academy teams. The person wrote that if they were as good why would they take players that were cut from academy teams. I think he meant that if they could take players they cut then how much better are the players that they retained.
SSC and SDFC aren't as good as all academy teams. I don't think anyone can argue that Red Bulls and PDA are outstanding academy teams. The top half of academy, very good. the bottom half, probably no better than top club teams.
I think teams like Marlton are as good as some academy teams. Without having seen both you would not know, but in my case I have. Just to put some perspective in.
It is idiotic to compare club and academy teams simply because of birth year roster for academy and Aug 1 cutoff for club. Who would SDFC play ? 98 or 99? pointless
Congrats to marlton for earning the right to play in region 1 champions league.
....good luck SDFC boys. Represent us well in Disney this weekend
great to see sdfc doing so well with about 1/3 of roster made up of former Ironbound/DOL players!
So what is it you are trying to say, exactly? SDFC needed new players? IB and DOL players are the best? IB and DOL cant retain players? What?
It's great that sdfc is doing well. They're all NJ boys. What SDFC implies and what they have said in the past is that they have developed all their players from an early age. This is simply not true for their club or any other club. Players move around.
Interesting, so who from Newark is looking to take this credit.
Stronghold way to represent
Congrats to SDFC for winning their group at Disney. Great showing by the boys. Shout out to their coaches and last but not the least- the parents. We have to sacrifice a lot as parents. Great to have them playing EDP, we should have excellent competition in the 1st division central. We should all be happy that a NJ team is doing this great at this level.
Good effort SSC. Better luck next time.
HOTA is where it will be this spring. Remember HOTA NJ.
Congrats SDFC, job well done. For those teams that have asked if they could compete with the top NJ teams (Flemington, DOL,) the answer is no. Sorry, it is a completely different level all together.
I would like to add my opinion on developing players in NJ. To see SDFC perform their very best against Some of the very best teams of the West and South on this Disney Tournament, something must have happened. Besides the team comraridy, the coaching, the individual skills of each player, the new players signed, the main thing is all year round training. Many clubs cannot afford a dome or indoor training during the "off season" and this, I believe is detrimental. I understand the cost involved may be high, but it is worth it. Again, my opinion is that many clubs in this state have to find a way to address this issue, so more kids and clubs could compete at a higher standards...any thoughts?
Aren't SDFC players playing high school soccer? How are they getting year round training? Playing in high school doesn't do much for development. Maybe SDFC should apply for academy.
Yes you are all going pro.
excellent result for sdfc. but i don't think it's so much year round training as much as a good mix of recruiting/attracting polished players to high caliber coaching in an organization that has the financial ability to travel to and afford the very top/high point value tournaments. can't really fault the formula, even if resources are perhaps biggest part of the mix. clearly there is very successful training, preparation, and competition going on. maybe the point here is that there are maybe dozens of players in area as talented as most of rangers roster who just won't have the access to the level of showcases sdfc does. have to admit that youth soccer in comparison to say basketball, is still mainly a pay to play sport--in terms of advancing from youth level into top college programs. once again, not criticizing programs like sdfc at all. more of an observation about the system.
Excellent comment. Agree 100%. Financial reasons are why I don't agree with anyone who says that no team can compete with the highest ranked teams. There are plenty of excellent teams who cannot afford to go to the top tournaments, Rankings are just a guide. not a guarantee. Tell anyone in another country what you are paying for your soccer experience. They will respond with disbelief.
Ok name that team
last comment is kind of irrelevant if you pay careful attention to what two posters ago stated because you really can't just name a team now from lower in the rankings that could compete RIGHT NOW with say SDFC. The point being that there is an institutional/financial structure in place that keeps this from happening because you basically have a field of teams made up of wealthy and not so wealthy--and the wealth build upon and create success by having the means to spend. so the rankings are both real and fabricated. they matter because they do actually reflect a difference in the level of play between the very top and the rest, but that gap is created by factors other than talent. These teams like sdfc are talented though. not saying they aren't. it's just that they maximize their talent in a way that many other teams cannot, due to the finanacial gap (not only between clubs, but between parents as well--and this is crucial). yes, the wealthy clubs often offer a scholarship or two, but the socio-economic differences largely persist and definitely correspond to the rankings (for the most part).
That is total BS. Forget the points and play them
what does that mean? how can points be forgotten and what do you mean "just play them"? Points can't be forgotten because they determine how teams are flighted in leagues and tourneys. Higher point values build on themselves though, because once you have enough points, you are able to keep accruing them at much higher rates than lower ranked teams. I think that is the point of all of this discussion--that this system rewards those who can pay enough (understanding that the talent has to basically be there as well) to keep feeding the ranking system. Guess its the best system we have for now, but it isn't actually a great measure of talent and potential. but its very American.
I agree with comments that money plays a factor in helping a team succeed. More money, better trainers, better facilities, top of the line tournaments and etc...
If money is the variable than I can assume that teams in NJ without winter facilities will not compete at such events? ....I guess it makes sense. On the topic of points, you have to have some sort of objective measurement in order to categorize success....and as far as financial difficulty for some players, it is sad to see some are left behind. Definitely, a boring, but interesting topic of USA Soccer development.
I agree that you need objective measure--and points might be best way of doing this. I guess problem is that points can be kind of bought. But teams do also get points for league play. so it is possible for teams like Hudson a year or so ago, or DOL more recently, to move up in rankings. But it seems they can only get so far, or only stay up for so long. Not like perennials such as sdfc, stronghold, etc. don't know what better system would be though . . .
Fools. SDFC and other top teams are playing the best if the best. To get any points at all they must win the tournament. To win such a tournament proves how good they really are. DOL and other such teams have a much easier task in gaining points against inferior teams.
DOL is one example of an excellent team that does not travel to any out of state tournaments(except Delco). I think they would be competitive with any higher ranked teams. Didn't some of their players just join SDFC? Probably the players wanted more exposure through national tournaments but is their new team a lot better?
i don't think anyone is trying to argue that sdfc and other top ranked teams are not very very good. the point i hear and that seems to make sense is that there are many talented players and teams that will never get the exposure due primarily to $--and that is something that differentiates youth soccer from youth basketball and football (as well as track--not sure about baseball). maybe one downside of high school soccer not being important/competitive for the most part. the fact that college recruiting is done almost exclusively through the tournament system is a major factor in all of this.
I would like to ask what opinions people on this discussion have of D1 college soccer. I've been watching and have to say that (not to be a jerk, but) I'm really not so impressed. It's not a measurable step up from what I see in U16 now besides the athleticism and speed. Of course it's a step up in certain ways but from what I see, I'm left with the impression that much recruiting is done on basis of physicality/speed rather than intangibles like vision, creativity, and finer technical skills. I haven't seen enough to feel like this impression is exactly right, but what do other people think about this? and how might it relate to this whole discussion about ranking top tier club teams--since presumably this is where a good deal of D1 players are coming from (I know academy players are heavily in the mix too though).
Size my friend. Size. And yes some lower mid level teams have a player or two just not 15 of them
I have watched a few D1 college games. (Rutgers U). What stood out to me right away was the size of the players. In my opinion, the main things college coaches want are size and speed.
Bingo They take size over skill any day
...no matter how we slice this, it seems that size, speed, and athletic ability reigns over vision, creativity and fine technical skills in many coaches eyes. We see this in the national team at the present time. Compare the 1994 national team vs todays national team.College coaches seem to be a just step above high school coaches?
Forget speed. Size is primary
Yes, and we see how size hurt the German team in the world cup. Such generalizations. Wake up. Look at the athletes in any sport (except jockeys) from 20-30 years ago and now. They are all bigger, faster, more athletic. Why wouldn't that be the case for soccer? And there isn't any argument that size is more important than skill - just that size AND skill is preferable over skill and no size or strength. There will always be the Messi, Arguerro, Teves, etc in the sport. But they will become more and more confined to being up forward. Except in the US - for some reason all the players on the U17 through U20 teams are the size of Tab Ramos. Wonder why. LOL.
SSC is consistently mentioned as one of NJ's top teams. Placed last in their bracket. Why such a poor showing at Disney? Lost one of their games 6-0.
Apparently SSC just had a bad outing.
Yes tab knows less than you.
6-0?? SSC care to explain? I am very surprised at this score.
Well it was 5-0 and then the other team scored again. Relax, it happens. They don't owe you an explanation. Kids get down a few goals and their heads drop and boom. Not an SSC person, looking forward to competing with them this Spring.
The level of competition at these events is superb. 40-minutes of soccer (they were 1-0 down at half time) doesn't define where SSC are if you look at their other results from the tournament.Qualification for tournaments like Disney is success in itself and the players will have been seen by college coaches who dont look at the scoreboard.
Couple of bad calls, couple of bad plays and there you have it. If you think it is who we are you will have time to show us soon enough.
Stronghold losing because of bad calls? Anyone not surprised by that?
Totally expected it. Every time SSC has a bad outing there were bad calls made. It is never we did not play well. It is never we were overmatched. It is never we were outplayed.It is always bad calls by the ref against us.
Really? Where do you see that in the past? I don't feel this to be true.
C'mon. Are you serious. You must be new to this forum.
The Champions League groups are out. Why is Marlton in the lowest group?
Lol. The lowest group of the best teams. Put it into perspective
Seem to remember something about a missed handball call against SDFC a month or so ago.....just sayin But seriously, 6-0 games happen sometimes to any teams, SSC will be fine, just had a disappointing tournament.
No, one match. Maybe the best that could have happened as some now believe that they now have a legit shot.
...loosing by many goals does not mean much. Let us say it was a bad day. Remember, last year SDFC lost 7 0 on their first match in Disney. Now, loosing consistently by large score difference could be detrimental.
LAST year SDFC was a much different team. LAST year does not matter. It was a nice rebuttal by SSC however to get the heat off of them.
Champions league? What is that?
what do you mean last year does not matter, you still lost 7-0. It is still a lost by SDFC.
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