Agreed that grades are VERY/MOST important but if you think that missing 1 or 2 days of HS will impact your grades then your grades are already an issue.
Not 1 or 2 days, weeks. And now because of travel to far away tournaments, more time off. Fun for kids but not helpful to academics.Giving kids the impression that the world revolves around soccer is hurting them in the long run. I know a kid who missed so much school because of soccer, he dropped out because everyone gave him the impression that he would be a star and make loads of money. Not working out as he planned.
And players need to be prepared for the incredible grind of a college soccer season which really makes academic success in the fall semester a very difficult prospect. The training, travel, and multiple games per week make for a rather ridiculous season and this is something that d1coahes are trying to address with a move to a season that is spread over the fall and spring, but for now the season is such that incoming freshman really need to be aware and prepared for this insane schedule just as they are acclimating to a new college environment.
11:42 your facts are wrong. Coaches will tell you and studies have proven that the team GPA is higher in season then it is out of season. The structure helps in the fall and lack of structure hurts in the spring.
D1 coaches may help their players to keep their grades up but it's still an uphill battle. D3 soccer is more compatible with academics.
Why is D3 more compatible with academics?
11:56--don't think the "facts" as you call them are wrong. Maybe debatable, but clearly there is a legitimate groundswell of support from college coaches for such a shift:https://www.nscaa.com/web/News/Articles/August_2016/NSCAA_D1_College_Men_Propose_Academic_Year_Season_Model.aspx
Yeah. Coaches will tell you lots of things . . .
That part of your point was not addressed. All coaches would prefer to have the season in both the fall and spring (it makes sense). If you take the fact that grades are better "in season" that would lead me to believe that grades would be better overall if they took the 2 season approach.
Do you really think playing D1 soccer is a simple thing? That's what you're making it sound like. The physical and mental demands put on student athletes are so intense. They have to expect a stressful 4 yrs.
Where does it state or give you the opinion that anyone said it was simple?
Academics are important but there is a very wide range of academic standards in college soccer. Some schools are looking for ACT score of 22 and some are looking for 32. Some schools require players to take summer classes so they will have a lighter load during the season. It is a challenge, and yes some kids are unhappy after their Freshman year due to lack of playing time or workload. That's why there are so many transfers out there. Key is to go to a school that you would like to graduate from even if soccer goes away. Love the school, like the soccer. Use soccer to help you get into a school that you would not have gotten into without soccer.
Yeah 2:23, what are you talking about? Everyone knows D1 soccer is no joke, and a very challenging way to go through 4 years of college. Coaches are pointing out how inordinately taxing the current fall season can be given the amount of games per week, lack of proper recovery time, and a large amount of missed class time in the fall. Maybe some want to argue about these points, but they are coming from the coaches. I'm seems to me that the physically taxing part of the argument can be partly verified by the tremendous amount of injuries suffered. Expecting a stressful four years is One thing. Playing and studying in a system that is not optimally set up for ones health and academic success is another.
Is it better to go to a D1 school where you might never play or a D3 school where you have a better chance to play and less stress? Academically speaking, the D3 school is a lot of times the better option but you do not have the D1 label. My son has an option to go to a D1 school, I fear he will choose this for the D1 label only and not really look at all the options.
There are some fantastic D3 schools out there. Many with great academic reputations. One thing about a lot of the real good D3's is they tend to be small schools. If your kid is good with that then D3 makes a lot of sense. Many D3 schools play better soccer than D1's. The academic/sports mix is probably better at D3's. I also hear you about kids wanting to play D1. I guess it depends on what schools you are talking about. I would prefer my son to graduate from Tufts or Amherst over many D1 schools. But most kids probably don't see it that way. At the end of the day not too many of these kids are going to make a career out of soccer. They should go to the school that gives them the best chance to get employed in the field they choose.
Can anyone shed a light about the Main Line friendlies in PA. How good is the competition over there. In terms of college coaches, do you get a fair amount of coaches scouting there. I looked it up on the web, but could not find much on it.
I think that is the tournament organized by Penn Fusion. It is one of the best showcases I have seen. They invite a small group of top teams in each age group. College coaches are there in force. Been there last 2 years, if you get invited go.
A bit too late to try to be seen for the first time, don't you think?
May not be for him. This blog says U18 which is the '99's. if they are graduating in 2018 it's not too late. For the '98's you are correct probably too late.
It is never too late. All teams will lose a recruit or two that they thought they had and will take on a random player at this time to fill out the class. I would suggest NOT being that player but you can get yourself on a roster.
Again, do not choose your college with soccer as your main priority. Some D1 schools do not offer the best bang for your buck when it comes to education and job placement. Why go to Binghamton, FDU or Rider to name a few when you can play at Tufts or Carnegie Mellon? Which will get you the ultimate prize, a great career.
Admission standards are a lot tougher at carnegie mellon and tufts. A student athlete who wants to go to a very selective school is putting academics first, which will of course, mean a great career. There are other student athletes who just want to play D1 and put soccer first. That could also be fulfilling. You're only young once.
You can take out CM and Tufts and put in many other schools with great academics and placement ratios. You stated that you're only young once, that is true, and then you need to work for a living. Playing at a low level D1 standard (maybe playing, maybe never seeing the field) and not getting a quality education is not the wise way to go IMO.
who said anything about low level D1 schools? A kid could be a great player and be a starter. You can always get more education and start a career later. There's more than one path.
My response was just following along the conversation, of course someone could be a starter, each team has 11 of them. However, the majority of the players are not as each roster has anywhere from 28 to 40 players on it
It is funny how a blogger asks one simple question and things just start spiraling in different directions. One person came in the blog asking how good is the Main line Friendlies is in terms of competition and college coaches and one person is saying that is the same as the Penn Fusion Friendlies (is it), than another is saying too late to be seen by college coaches(we don't even know what grade the kid is in), the next 2 are talking about how education is better CM and Tufts then FDU and Binghamton. This blog is too funny.
Or, there can actually be two topics discussed at once. Too taxing for some. It is not too late for a HS SR to bee seen by a college coach, they just need to understand that the money has been dispersed for the most part and if they are being seen for the first time, well it is not a great sign. I do agree with the choose your school over choose your soccer. If you are able to play at a top school like Rutgers or Maryland for example and even have a chance at playing soccer that would be great. There might even be some playing time at Rutgers available as their 2017 recruiting class is not that strong.
Couldn't just leave it there, had to leave with an insult. Almost set a record, we went at least 5 days without any nastiness. Now the blog is back to form!
Why are you saying that the Rutgers class is not that strong for 2017? Is that because of couple MF players are in that recruiting class.
I give that Rutgers coach a lot of credit, he recruits NJ and almost exclusively. It has not given him wins lately but at least he isn't going overseas like other coaches are.
Takes a helluva an ego, guy thinks he knows soccer better than Dan Donigan...
What do you mean? It's true that RU isn't winning many games and the roster is mostly NJ kids. Big ten is a tough league.
Have to recruit better if you are going to survive the big 10 and keep your job.
Funny how people jump to conclusions, I thought that was a compliment to the Rutgers coach. I guess a MF parent whose kid is going there is a bit paranoid.
I agree with you. It's a NJ State school. Nice to give NJ kids roster spots. Recruiting overseas players is not helping US players .There's plenty of talent in nj.
No doubt that NJ talent is there, just need to recruit the correct talent. Past history is not on his side but time will tell if the 2017 group works out. Best of luck to this class.
Soccer is like no other sport I know, you have players that are very talented playing D1 and D3 soccer. I couldn't tell you the difference in these players and in some cases I would say I would prefer the D3 player over the D1 player. There does not seem to be any flow to the recruiting and placement of these players. Also, what happened to D2, not a lot of options there at all.
There are a lot of excellent D3 soccer programs out there. For instance, Amherst could probably beat some of the top 25 D1 teams out there on any given day. They are a top 25 academic school too. So people make choices for different reasons.
I think we all know players that went to a D1 school last year and saw no playtime. Speak to them, they hate it. We also all know players that saw little or no playtime at the D3 level, they hate it too. Bottom line, know where you fit best, unfortunately this is almost impossible to project.
Edp brackets out. What's up with NPL division?
Can someone please explain to me how Ocean is not in EDP 1st division Central?
Because Ocean isn't good....
Ironbound and Philly COPA are better? Come on.
Obviously in the eyes of the league iron bound and philly cops are better than ocean.
Philly Copa maybe, but IB is ranked far below Ocean. Not sure that it matters as any of these teams will get smoked by the likes of Marlboro, MF, SSC.
SSC is still a team? They only played half their EDP league games last year....peculiar that they get a mention and even a place in the league again
These matches mean little at this point anyway. Just don't get hurt and stay in shape for college. No one will really care about the outcome.
Good question. Is Stronghold still a team? I cant imagine that they folded and walked away from that money.
SSC is in shambles unless you're one of the shysters who cash in from the team/club. So our son like others left, we lost money and they could care less.
I am not aware of their issues, what are the problems? If no team, will create a hole in the schedule for many.
Won't all of these teams have dedication issues this spring? What is the summer plan for players moving on to play in college? Do they play games and train or just train? Where are they supposed to train?
Dedication issues? Not sure if that is correct, most of these guys love the sport. Scheduling will become an issue as the coaches try to schedule their games when they have their stars available, but that should not be any different then any other year.
Most players have committed by now, this is a very good time to reach out to colleges you are interested in, they may have openings due to the fact that they didnt get some players they planned on getting.
Another FDU signing, but this one is a good one.
You are correct good but not much above that. Let's be honest daddy.
YMS U18 Boys are looking to add 1-2 field players and a goalie for the spring season. Players could be 98's or 99's. Our season will run from now until mid-May and we will train 2 nights per week and play one game most weekends. We will compete in the Region 1 Eastern Regional League, Pennsylvania NCS State Cup, and the APL. Please contact Chris McDaniels (ASAP), head coach, if you are interested or have any firstname.lastname@example.org 254-5435
***SSC Parents**** timely post above so your kids soccer season won't be a total washout.
You left, we get it. We are fine thank you.
Grass or artificial turf, which do you prefer to play on?
Depends on how deep the grass is. If mowed properly I'll take grass. If it's 3-4 inches long then turf.
Grass every time for me.
Saw the NJ Cup brackets came out. STA 98 NPL seems to play no real threat, am I missing something?
You missed SSC's big MAPS challenge for the cup. Bye or BUY? How you merit a bye when you forfeited something like 5 games last season?
That is a very good point. Why would SSC be rewarded for their immature behavior last season? Too late now, and I guess it doesnt really matter but maybe they should not have been left in at all. Or, make them play MF every game this year, that will show them.
Leave MatchFit out of this. No dog in this fight, focusing energy elsewhere.
You're correct go back to your dailey activities.
What are you guys gonna do with yourselves next year??
Truth hurts. SSC was disgraceful last year. MF is the dominant team in this age group.
Oh boy! Somebody is looking to stir things up...
Sorry that was a typo meant to say Marlboro.
How is 1:21 "stirring it up"? You don't believe those are two truths? SSC did NOT honor the game last season, and MF is a dominant team. There are other teams that are very good and of course can beat MF on a given day but going into the game who is the favorite? MF
MF, Marlboro, Holmdel, STA are the four you know will be top teams in NJ this year. Stronghold is always good but they did lose an all-american to MF so that cant be a good sign.
Oh right, Marlboro beat Holmdel for the "National" championship. Forgot, my bad.
Not a big US Club state cup fan but who do you play for that would allow you to talk down to Marlboro and Holmdel? They played in the finals why? Because they beat the other teams to earn that right. Those teams were from all over the country, it just worked out that way in the final. So again, what team do you play for? Why werent you there?
Only someone that does not play these two teams would make such a stupid statement. Both have talented players and have the results to prove they belong where they are.
Taking these games and teams so seriously is ridiculous. Just let the kids play. Adults act like there's so much at stake here. They are youth teams. No team is "threatened" by any other. You win some you lose some. Have fun! A player is only all american because his HS coach gives him that honor. Maybe another coach wouldn't see it the same way.
Hold on a minute. Are you suggesting that a HS coach can simply hit a button and their player is an all american? There are no other obstacles in the way?
NO possible way. If that was the case everyone would be an all american.
Don't kid yourself for one second if you think those honors aren't political and it's who you know and who you blow. Just like those NJ.com player of the week where you can vote hundreds of times.
Someone is completely out of their mind. You may agree or disagree with such appointments but to state that all that has to happen is a coach recommend you is a joke.
Come on, HS soccer isn't serious. Everyone knows that. The coach sees the big kid who scores a lot of goals by running onto the ball as a great player. If you want to believe there's more to it, go ahead.
All-American is serious! Seriously.
All American is 70% serious and 30% fluff. Not all selections from NJ (and other states) are seriously not All American players. Seriously. There are kids who are All American who aren't even key players on their club team, but they were able to toe poke some goals against low quality HS teams and that makes them top in the country?
You forgot Marlton as a State Cup contender. Always a good team, this could be their year.
You can also say you forgot about 20 teams as contenders. With the age change no one knows who is playing on what teams. Could be a whole new group of top teams.
20 teams? Let's not get crazy. One of the top 5 teams will win the State Cups.
Top 5: Any game between the top three would be just phenominal to watch and no sure bet to win. Great work by the Kids, Parents and Coaches in being the top teams in the Country. MarlboroMatchfitHolmdel4-5 slots are: Very good teams that play with a lot of heart.MarltonSJEB-on the bubble StallionsI don't know the status of STA? If they are still in the age group I would put them at a solid 4 ranking. SSC's status is questionable as well, with the loss of key players to competing clubs, thier forfeiture of the remainder of last season and tournament participation, I'd put them in the 7-10 ranking however, they are unquestionably not in the top 5 at this time.
Not sure how you could know any of this for sure. Teams change, players leave, some have graduated and are in college at this point. Teams at this point can be very different from what you state and no one really knows how it will all shake out.
Regardless, the top team is MF.
Graduated and are in college in this age group? Sorry, but 99/98 teams either dropped down to 99 or they remained intact and play 98 (U19). So not sure how they could have graduated and are in college when they haven't graduated HS yet and the younger still have a year to go? It's an opinion-based hyposthesis partly derived from past performance and the top teams are and have thier rosters pretty much intact. So unless 4-5 teams merged thier best players then it's a possibility they might shake out somewhere but not as a top competetor in the state.
Most 98s have graduated high school and are now in college.
Carding was in August, those 98's were not carded and on the team at the start of this season. I give Marlboro the edge over Notfit.
I don't think you should be so confident about teams that haven't even had league play yet. You might be surprised. Every season is a new chance for teams to shine.
Keep knocking on MF, no one added...LOL
Surprised by what? There isn't one team outside the top 5 that can compete at thier level then or now. They had thier chance and face it you're not there.
I guess that begs the question 8:07, who is the top 5 in your mind?
Every team in the top flight of EDP is a good team and they can all compete with every other team in that division. That's about 30 teams.
That is not a top 5 though.
I never mentioned top 5 and I couldn't care less. All I care about is good competition for the boys. Keep living in your elite top 5 bubble!
So you are saying the top five are elite and then there is everyone else?
No, I'm saying elitists suck
Says the person not in the top 5
Maybe your child will be a greedy 1 percenter some day. I'm sure y.ou'll be so proud while you're bragging about it
You assume my son plays on a team in the top 5, when in fact top 20-25 would be the truth. I however do not have an issue with those top 5 teams and know they are better. I do not think being better makes you an elitist. You sound like a jealous person to me.
Good logic. I'm jealous of teenagers.
Season has started. Hudson with the win!!!
Premature with the self congratulations I see. Must have been cold out there.
Any upcoming tournaments teams will be attending?
Should U19 teams be playing tournaments? They are very costly and at this point those players that will be playing in college have already been identified. What would be the point?
They're playing for the challenge and fun of it. The cost is usually included in the club fees.
Really? What club fees pay for the tournament fees? What if you join many tournaments?
Tournaments at this stage are ok if you have the money to do so. No need to travel far, the only college coaches that will be watching you are the coaches you have already signed up to play for. The bigger question to me is what to do this summer? I know you should be conditioning, but are new teams formed to keep you sharp?
There are summer leagues for u20 or u23 teams. Look under leagues in EDP.
Summer should be used to rest.
NJCup is about to begin. Favorite to win? Contenders? Legit longshots?
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Snow anyone? Could hurt the state cup games that have to be played. Next week could be a mess
Saw a forecast for 3-6 tomorrow in Parsippany and another 8 plus on Tuesday. Fields? What fields.
15 inches tomorrow, how will fields be ready for any state cup games with deadlines coming close. I guess MSC is happy they got their tournament in already and Hammonton has none scheduled.
MSC was very lucky to get their tournament in after many previous cancellations. A lot of tournaments and games will be cancelled or postponed. Every spring there is a huge demand for turf fields with most grass being water logged.
Ironbound is this weekend, they do not cancel or at least have not in the past.
They've got to be worried. Maybe they can shovel all the fields but that's unreasonable. They probably use about 100 fields.
Shovel? Why not plow? Do they really use 100 fields? Seems like a lot to me.
Does anyone really care about the Ironbound warmup? Do competitive teams even go to it. No way they will clear their fields, they will lose money.
Ironbound teams are competitive. It's a good local tournament. Not everyone has thousands of dollars to spend on fees, hotels meals, plane fare, etc.
Low to midlevel teams at best.
No need for that comment. We all can read an applied team list.
To the poster above you only agreed with the post above yours. Question for you. Why would there be no need for stating it is a tournament for low to mid level teams? It is true and what is wrong with that type of a tournament?
I've been told it will be canceled Too bad for IB and players
So we know that Match Fit has most of their players committed to play college next year, what about the rest of the top teams in here. Do they also have a lot of college commitments?
nice trolling. of course the top teams do. Define top teams = top 5 teams, if you want to play in college you will.
I guess MF cant stand the feeling of people not thinking about them so they start the same conversation again. Good luck being backups.
Yeah, because most freshman go in and start right away. What a tool!!!
3:52, someone always bites...
"Yeah, because most freshman go in and start right away. What a tool!!!"Or better yet, never start at all. I went to a D1 match last fall in which 21 of the 22 starters were international players. And my understanding is that the 1 American starter (a goal keeper) was actually a back up filling in for an injured international.
21 out of 22? That's just stupid. Were you in the United States??
Looks like not all the NJ Cup games have been played. Likely that extensions have been given out due to field conditions. No real surprises that I see so far.
That's nuts. What were the names of the schools playing?
Check out a Rider/FDU/LIU/Adelphia/Georgian court (should I go on?) match. Easily can field an entire starting team of foreign players. Why is this such a shock to you?
I was at a Rider game when they played Nova. They do have a bunch of foreigners on their team. I think Rider had about 7-8 starters. Villanova had 1 or 2. To act like those 4 teams you mentioned are representative of what college soccer is like is a bit misleading.
Albany, St Bonn, Rhode Island, Stoneybrook. Just a few more.
I took a look at some of the schools listed, no so surprisingly they are mostly foreign players. I have a relative who is a staff member at Mercyhurst University and he tells me that their team is at least 85% foreign players.
Just for the heck of it I checked out last year's D1 final four teams. 10 foreigners total on all 4 rosters.
So US players are better!!!! I knew it!!!!
Ocean vs Holmdel in the next round. Do not be surprised at the result.
The US players are just as good as the foreign but college coaches recruit a lot overseas and these players are offered full scholarships. Not a great situation for US athletes.
Foreign players do have an easier time getting into D2 and some D3 schools as many of them don't have the academic history required by more competitive schools.
Wall upsets Marlton. Or is it an upset? Wall has flown under the radar for some time.
It is at the very least an interesting result. Marlton is a very good team that has never won a State title. Only one more chance.
What's upsetting is a self inflating parent whose little toe poker is on Wall is on here to tell us about thier first win out of MAPS. You probably dominated the MOSA Premier flights too...
Toe poker? Is that what you saw? LOL
#10 losing to #24 is not that big of a deal. Could happen to any team on any day. New rosters for most teams, I think you will see more so called upsets in the future.
I agree, there are going to be lots of upsets this year. This age group is going to be a real wild card. Kids are all playing for different reasons. Some to keep in shape, some hoping to possibly catch on with a college team, some for the fun of it.
Yeah. TSF over holmdel prolly not an "upset" either. Teams are stacked with players with a variety of reasons for playing at this point-as an. Earlier poster pointed out.
to keep in shape or for the fun of it wont work if you want to win
why is winning so important to you? It doesn't mean much at this stage.
Yes, the time for winning is kinda over. Years past you wanted to win so you can get to the top flights of best tournaments so you can be seen by college coaches. Pretty sure these 18-19 year old kids aren't looking for trophies and medals.
Do you seriously think that these players do not want to win when they step on the field? How do you think many of them go to where they are and will be (playing in college). No one said there was an end game of getting into better tournaments, but the will and desire to win a game is there.
I don't think that most players think winning is the most important thing. They play because they love the sport. If kids only motive is winning, they end up losing interest.
Yes, on some teams out there the parents want it A LOT more than the kids.
Top level athletes care about winning. That is how they became top.
Top level athletes care about winning but they know it's not the most important thing and that's what makes them top.
"winning doesn't matter anymore" Marlton.
It's all over in 3 months, what are guys gonna do??
Some will move on to their younger children, some will look for college forums, some will vanish.
"playing doesn't matter anymore" SSC
Is Stronghold bagging games again? If you cant give an example dont bring it up.
They bagged this Sunday's game vs. MF
For all you know there was a legit reason. Fields not ready maybe?
Turf. No snow at all. You would think after what the team did last year that would make it to early season games...
what? "that would make it to early season games"???? What are you trying to say?
Typo, THAT should've been THEY, you still should have understood my point. But I get it, you are trying to change the subject. I will be totally stunned if SSC plays all of their games.
Why wouldnt they play their games? What is their point, hey guys lets pay to join this league and I know how we will get them, we wont play our games. Now lets go show them!
That's what they did last year...
They didnt play their last 2 games, now why would they join a league and not play their games this year? That makes no sense at all, they all have money to throw around and just want to be a pain to the league? There is a reason they couldnt play their game, sorry it didnt work out for you but they are not trying to please you.
I am not upset, you asked for an example of SSC bagging games. I provided you with an example. Yet you feel compelled to defend them.
You have yet to give a reason as to WHY any team would do this.
Ask the SSC coach
I have no idea why, but I do know they have bailed out of their first league game. That's what you asked for. Since you seem to be part of SSC maybe you can tell me why they bagged the game this weekend.
Fear of MF, obviously.
Isn't MF playing in a different league than SSC? Any game was probably just a scrimmage. I'm sure no team is scared of MF unless they deliberately go out and try to hurt other teams.
What are you talking about? Scrimmage?? You have no idea what you are talking about. None...
Why league game was it then?
Edp games are changed all the time. Relax MF the game will get played
Prediction: MF over SSC 5-0 easy with a 3-0 in the first half. SSC coach with a minimum of a yellow card for misconduct.
Is he still the coach? You have to question the parents who allow this fraud to coach their sons.
Wall wins again. Still sleeping?
No but you are putting us to sleep Wall...OK you're out of MOSA good job we got it.
Not the previous person who brought up Wall, but Wall has added some players and have improved an already good team. Are they great? IDK but time will tell.
New Jerseys top 3 play each other this weekend, any thoughts? and yes Wall plays as well.
Ok I will bite, who does Matchfit play?
Who are top three? There are a lot of games this weekend.
Top 3 in nj as per gotsoccer. NJCSA MarlboroMatchFitHolmdel Wall a close 4th
SSC, did you pay or will you have another forfeit?FINES1. A $250 fine will be accessed upon 1st forfeit.2. The club president MUST write a formal letter to EDP regarding the forfeit.3. The club will pay the fine within 3 business days.4. If the fine is not paid within the required timeframe, then that team’s succeedingweek’s match will NOT be played and the team will be issued a 3-0 loss. 5. Should a second forfeit occur within a Club in the same seasonal year, the matterwill be sent to the EDP league office to determine sanctions.6. If no score is reported 3 days following a completed game, the home team will beissued a $50 fine.
Wall in a close 34 spot in NJ Gotsoccer ranking. Best to piss on the porch like a puppy thinking big then go tangle in the yard with the big dogs and be reminded your a puppy.
SSC is in turmoil. The parents/kids have little/no committment. They can't even get 11 to a practice let alone a game.
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