Fusion destroys Louden 5-0 in regional final. Looks like the real final was yesterday.
11:50, do you think any chance IB Milan and SDFC could merge or SDFC pick up some of their players?
SSC, you have done well. No need to try and pump yourself up any further (12:33)
Do I think SDFC could take some of IB players? Yes.
SSC could also take SDFC players. Just sayin
Why would you think these teams would break up? Why couldn't they continue to develop and add?
JDI summer team showing its stuff this past weekend. Good job boys, beating SSC is never bad.
Must've been SSC 's B or C team as their A team was at regionals in Rhode Island, so a very misleading post.
Who the heck is JDII and where did they play ?
This board has been filled with praise for SSC and how deep they are. A no name maybe talentless team beats them??????
So that's your strategy? Can't find reason to bash the A team, so you have to resort to bashing their developmental teams ( where btw results don't even matter ). How pathetic is that?
Not sure the poster was trying to bash anyone. My guess is it was just a parent or a coach of a summer team that doesn't know the SSC differences. There are hundreds of teams right here in NJ that the parents will tell you how great they are, and they honestly believe it. They don't know the difference in levels of teams. I hear parents bragging about MAPS all the time and how their team is good now that they play MAPS. There are many different levels in MAPS, but try explaining that one. Relax SSC, no one that knows anything is bashing you.
Sorry, but SSC has come on here telling all that their 2nd team players move up to the top team and are just as productive.
And you think you can pass judgement on their B team, or any team for that matter, based on results in a July tournament when no team has all their players available.
Hey 946 why don't you contact SSC and arrange for a summer friendly and let's see how just how great your team is. SSC is usually open to summer friendlies as we played them last summer.
What 445 and all the above posters conveniently failed to mention was that SSC 's B team, after dropping the first game 0-1,did in fact go on to win the division playing up in U 15 age group.What's your bleeping point now idiot?
Good points by 8:55. Some people just don't know!
Hey 946, did you even bother to notice that they won the tournament flight?
Hey SSC guys: no worries, now even your b team is getting notice!
The players that left ISC Milan to SDFC are no big deal. They could be replaced by anyone at the 'B' team. The ones that will leave after are the ones that will make a team better. ISC needs new coaching for this age level since the one's there now are under achieving.
Been away from seeing the blog for a few days and forgot just how much I miss all this. So much fun here. Marlton parent here. Good work SSC at the regional.
Rumor floating around TRFC is that Boca is breaking up. Not sure if this is true or not but that's what parents from the team are saying.
Hey 9:46 Despite loosing first game, doesn't the fact that they went on to win the tournament prove that they are in deed very deep at this age group. With their top 18 players up in Rhode Island, they can still field a competitive enough team to win a U 15 flight. Maybe you should examine all facts and all angles before you dish out critisicm in your posts?
Hey 10:42 ( prob the same guy as above ), doesn't winning the group = being productive in your view?
Yes SSC beat a bunch of u15 hacks.
So 847 beating a bunch of hacks from STA a year up is not good enough for you for a B team? So let's get this straight.....you can no longer criticize the Falcons, cause like it or not they are top of the heap in NJ for now, so you turn to their B team and criticize them for ......get this......winning a tournament playing a year up? You obviously are either jealous of SSC or have a previous axe to grind, probably both. So now tell us how do you like the taste of crow? .....and how does the egg feel on your face?
Admit it 8:47:You were prob waitin all week long for SSC to mess up at region so you could bash them. So that don't happen. They do well and you can't leave it alone, so you gotta stoop low and bash their b team.And you even get that wrong you loser! Must just eat away at you that they went and not you. That the only reason you'd bash their B team.
Hey guys, with all due respect, the last thing SSC needs at this point is attention. They have done exceptionally well and have had a great year. The more you bash them , it's just like giving them more fuel to the fire , or worse giving your own players invites to their tryouts. So just leave it be!
HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY TO ALL!!!!!no need for fireworks , there's enough right here.
I have watched a couple of teams play my sons and i was wondering if these teams are some of the best in NJ.His team lost to Marlboro 2-1, Marlton 3-0 and Howell they tied 1-1 Are these teams this great in the state..or even the country, i mean Marlboro had 2 or 3 players that were good, Marlton had a sticker who was very fast and talented with height in the back and Howell did not seem very good to me.
You throw out random scores but not when or why they were played. Did these teams care about that game? Were they tournament games where they may have had guests. Friendlies. Were they missing players or did they have 3 great guests? Your question is so arbitrary Only fact is that they all beat you.
That's true about summer soccer. Tough to judge scores. Some teams have guest players which strengthen their squad while others may not have everyone available.
9;14 Back to the SSC B team argument. The games were at the Morris County Showcase in a U14 age group. The SSC B team played the STA U14 B team. Only 3 or 4 teams at this age group SSC and STA played each other 2 times and they played each other in the final on the turf at FDU very Hot. What is the problem. No U15 Hacks.
Why back to a B team argument? Do you have a kid on verge of moving up or not? Seems strange to harp on about a B team, even one from one of the best clubs.
Agreed. Morris B is no good at all so what are you saying SSC
SSC Falcons are the real team, please don't confuse the two. SSC, did you lose anyone to an academy team or were you able to retain them all?
"Rumor floating around TRFC is that Boca is breaking up. Not sure if this is true or not but that's what parents from the team are saying. "How would TRFC know what is going on at BOCA? What started this rumor? Why would people leave BOCA for anything in TR (other than location)
The real question is why does anyone even care? Seriously.
To he 9:36 poster who stated that he didn't think Howell was very good. How does a team that isn't good play in the top flight of the state cup and go as far as Howell did if they aren't good? I guess if you are from SSC you have a point but other than that? No worries from Howell, added a couple of players from academies so will be fine.
Nobody said that Boca players were leaving for TR. The statement was that the team was breaking up. Maybe if Boca people would stop calling TR players to guest play nobody would think this. You obviously are having # problems and it is no secret that you got rid of your coach, so there are obviously some problems.
Got rid of their coach, why?
It's summer, families go on vacation. Guest players are the norm. If they don't have a coach who is calling the TR players? Speaking of TR, I didn't know they even had a team any more.
Howell is a solid team. Not sure why an academy player would move to a local town team unless they weren't playing at all and what would that tell you about that player.
Some kids may just want to be able to play high school soccer.
Yes, that would certainly be the perfect excuse.
Certainly sounds like you didn't have to make that decision...
Academy teams are tough, you have no real promise of staying on the team unless you are in the top 6. That leaves a lot of players in limbo and in fear. It is a simple move to go to a top town team that has performed extremely well and is ranked very high nationally. Does the town team have a good coach, if so, that solidifies the decision. The academy system is ok, but not without its problems. The non academy route is ok, but not without its problems.
What team lost any players to DA?
10:58 thanks a reasonable response and you know it is reasonable when there are no replys
While we sit here kick each other in the reproductive organs over what team is best based on gotsoccer points or the "W" column. I'd like to stimulate some discussion on what I think the is something like the chicken or the egg debate. I personally think gauging the National Team as a measure that the US is failing at developing soccer within our borders. So what's the problem? Is it the coaches, parents or a combination of the 2. Id like to see us talk about the good (as hard as it may be) as well as the pitfalls. What can we do to fix the pitfalls at the club level?
For the most part, US plays for the money. (scholarship) The world plays for the love of the game.
What club team out there plays for the love of the game? All of us pay top $$$ for our kids to play. Would any of us play a tournament that gives us no points?
Is that why so many teams have BIMBO as a sponsor. Love?
"to fix the pitfalls at the club level"......very interesting topic. Unfortunately, we do not have one answer. Many people in this forum would agree and disagree with each other, but no-one would have the right answer. Soccer in the USA is underdogged by other sports like baseball, football and basketball. First, as long as soccer does not get recognized by the mass media, meaning prime time exposure as the other sports mentioned above, soccer will always be second hand sport in the USA. Second, if our only professional league, the MLS pays miserable wages to professional players, we will encourage our kids to focus on a traditional career. What we need is to mimic what other successfull soccer countries have done in the pass. We don't need to reinvent the wheel. We need to improve players salaries as we improve sponsorships and improve attendance at every stadium. It can't be that players like Cavani is being brought for 62 million Euros and we can't even buy one for a million dollars. People want to be entertained, but they want name brand players, not deadbeats or semi-retired soccer stars. Bring back the NASL, bring back active stars and we will once again pack the 80,000 stadium seats like the good old days....
The US plays for money.......US Soccer Federation spends about 7 million annually on national team programs, The rest of the world plays for love of the game....?? Spain, about the size of Pennsylvania, spends 128 million a year on its national teams! Nuf said.
Good topic, but some may not even agree with your definition of success. Is it to broaden the following of the sport and raise the skill level of typical players throughout our country or is it to improve the peak play of the very few best 1 in 100K+ players that ever get to play for the national team? These are not necessarily the same. The latter probably has more to do with the lack of innovation and screwed up politics of US Soccer as an institution than anything else. We have coaches today who could develop our very best to play more like Spain for example, but they do not have the power w/in the organization which itself has no real push for innovation.If success is the former than... a much bigger topic. I do agree with one thing. It's not that we love the sport less. There is no easy path for a U.S. kid to get paid the big bucks in this sport like there is for a prodigy in basketball, baseball or NFL football. The MLS has done a lot, but it is no avenue to get paid for a U.S. kid. Not yet. Show them the money and the talent will follow. The big money is in Europe and US players are on the low end of the totem pole for selection there. Maybe more need to develop overseas.
Good pts above. The us soccer federation is still an old boys club and they cover for each other at the cost of stifling advancement and development.Also agree with the points about money as well. If you pay peanuts, you get stuck with elephants. You want top banana, then you have to pay the players well, and not just the designated franchise players. You have to up the ante across the entire MLS.
That's a great line I haven't heard before. "If you pay peanuts you get stuck with elephants." I'll have to remember that one!
Our national youth program is in serious trouble. u-20 finish 22nd out of 24, and u- 17 don't even qualify. In any other country both Tab Ramos and Richie Williams would have been dismissed the next day. Here their efforts are applauded about how we attempted to play attacking soccer, or how we tied eventual champion France. Absolutely ridiculous!
I think the problem with the old boy club at USA Soccer go way beyond those guys.
Here is the problem with soccer in the US. Parents clammer to spend 2-3K per year for their Kid to play club soccer only to get cut from the team or leave for some other reason. The parents all think the Kid will get some big college $$. They would get same $$ from colleges for high GPA. What is the end goal play for fun,play for College $$, or pro only to make less that 50K. This weekend I was talking with some U17 boys while waiting for the next game and they said they lost Clifton Stallions vs. STAin the last few min of the game and blew it. I asked them how much they pay in club dues $350 year.I told them the high end club team they almost beatcost over $2500. They did not care much about the loss after that. It was the Hispanic boys against the suburban white boys. There are some really good male players out their U16 + that play for what ever team and will never be found.,
Who pays $350/yr? For year round soccer club? What kind of sponsorship does that include because the operating costs alone exceed $1,000 for a typical team's field time, tourneys etc.
Of course it goes way beyond those two guys. Was only mentioning them as current example. Only the tip of the iceberg.
"There are some really good male players out their U16 + that play for what ever team and will never be found."That may be the most intelligent thing I've ever read on this forum. I think the quality on this board may have just turned a corner.
If you dare go to Flushing Meadow park in Queens. Go watch some matches and you will see some good entertaining adult soccer. And if you look around you'll see kids playing some good entertaining pick up soccer. And they pay "$0".
There are some really good players out there that do not play academy or clubs that charge a substantial fee, but unfortunately, they don't get the exposure as in other countries. Why?.......I for one, believe that elite college & professional coaches look to recruit talented players from academies, top competitive clubs, ODP candidates and high school stand-outs. I don't believe they would have recruiters hanging out at Flushing Meadows, and any other public parks, looking or talent. That is not to say that there is no talent in those parks, but in a country like this one, time is money.Technology, on another note, is great. If your son and or daughter is a stand out, film them. Contact coaches and ask them. They may be willing to view and you may never know.......Just don't give up on good talented players, they all need a chance to make it. For their dreams and for the better of our national reputation...
The us soccer system is built around money. Even so more right now. Academies should be free of charge (u16, u18). These so called trainers are building and exploring the 'American parent'. Where the society is to 'pay to play'. Soccer was and is a poor men sport. All the poor countries have the best players in the world. You're going to see in the next 12 years a big decline in American soccer just because of structure of the 'academy soccer'.
Agree 100%. No outfit should label itself or call itself an academy if any players pay. Thats plain and simple. By that definition there is only one true academy in NJ and that is Red Bulls where no one pays.
2:29PM Good luck with that one. I agree there is a huge difference if the business model is driven by players fees, but there are already so many "academies" that don't even play in any academy league. Why don't we start there?
My diner has the "best coffee in the world". We all know its not. Academy title is the same. Even true academies don't all have good teams.
9:12AM I could not disagree with you more about a decline in American soccer. You are mixing a couple ideas. 1. Poor countries have better players. Maybe, but I suppose that means Brazilian soccer will be in decline the next decade as they are emerging as an economic powerhouse in So. America. Maybe we have seen a little of that correlation already, but I doubt that will work against the USA any more than it already has. 2. You really say the DAs will cause the decline. That is silly. As imperfect as they are, the DAs offer the option of a higher level of play than in the past. Add to that the fact that your kid probably already has benefited from RDS training and being able to learn any move on the internet that you could not when you were a kid because you didn't have a dad who played college soccer. He probably watches BeinSport and can see Messi or Ronaldo play every weekend which you never did growing up. The quality of play will go up immensely. Already has among the current crop of kids. Just ask any youth referee of more than 10yrs. The 00/01 class at the top USMNT level are the best we have ever seen. If properly developed we will have a better USMNT in a decade. American soccer will surely be better. It already is among the youngest ages. Just wait until we get a few of them getting paid big bucks to play in Europe. Then it will really get interesting!
925 you raise some good points,but if our younger players are getting so much better than how do you explain what happened to the U 20 in Turkey, or worse yet the U 17 not even qualifying out of CONCACAF?
Look out for DSA today. Good team ready to go.
Nj force lost 8-0. Anyone know what happened? Looks like it may be time to retool
Yes YMS beat them and made it to the finals where Marlton beat them grat game by both teams marlton was just to good
Marlton couldn't have played dirtier. Pulling jerseys and elbows must be taught
LOL. Is that why you lost? Pulling jerseys? You sound like a preschooler. Marlton played well and it was a great game -- just the kind you want in a championship. I think the more interesting conversation is why YMS coach felt the need to pulverize Force 8-0 in the semi to get to Marlton when all you needed was a tie to advance to the final. That is some brilliant sportsmanship for sure. Perhaps your team had a beef with Force and wanted to beat them up. Sorry you lost to Marlton. You have some really good players.
Championship of a B level tournament. Never changes marlton brags, yms cries and njf loses
Not sure where above Marlton brags. The comments were about: silly comment on play, a good game and YMS approach to beating down another team. Never said it was more than a B level tournament. Strange.
NJSA04 U15 Munich is looking for a Goal Keeper and 1-2 field players. Both teams will be playing EDP, please contact me if you are interested in playing, thank you.
2:15PM True...the 1st test of DA kids on USMNT could be called a failure. I think it is harsh to conclude too much, but we do have to improve in those critical middle years of development. Great younger players get lost somewhere between 14 and adulthood in the USA relative to the world. DAs can do no worse. I suspect they will only help since that age group now has a quasi pro path to develop. When I say younger I mean '00s and beyond. Even the kids 5-10 years older did not have the same exposure at younger ages. Many of these benefits from TV to internet to RDS etc. have really only been commonplace for any player in the last few years. Even the rise of the biggest phenomenon in soccer, FC Barcelona, has really only taken place in the last 5 years and that has changed how kids (and most people) look at the sport. Put these kids on the DA path and we'll see what bubbles up next decade. Sounds like a long time, but it also has to be long enough to change USA Soccer from the top down a bit as well.
NJSA Munich in EDP? Does that mean that EDP is the new MOSA?
NJ Force was missing a lot of player due to other obligations. They used 5 players from the U13's to compete in this tournament, but the YMS game was a tough one. Great job by YMS. It seemed like everything was going in the back of the net.
So what you are saying is that NJ Force has no depth at all. YMS is a good team but to get beat 8-0 shows how little depth NJF has.
Sounds like yms is upset they lost...Marlton did not play dirty at all hats off to both teams it was a hot weekend with some good soccer played in the championship...congrats to Marlton.
Says a jealous parent of yms.
10:33 Good points and thoughtful insights. You again raise some valid points and only time will tell.
I'm saying NJ Force was missing 6 players idiot! Any team would be at a disadvantage missing 6 of their players.
Marlton made Hudson look clean.
Sounds like YMS is a sore loser. Every time you lose you cry foul. Great job Marlton. YMS go cry to somewhere else.
Both good teams, score seems to indicate that both played well
I watched the game - I was there to watch the 3rd place game and the fields were side by side. Both teams were big, athletic, and talented. They both played well. The game was as even as it could be. Decided by the bounce of the ball in shootout. There wasnt any loser or real winner in that game.Great soccer to watch though.
Maps Classic this weekend. Top flight is the worst I have ever seen.
It's the middle of summer, o what o you expect ?
Something better then rec teams.
isnt the top flight of U 14 at Tuckahoe in MSSL summer showcase which is all ry\un by the same tournament people? At least there tou have Europa and SSC Dynamo which are certainly not rec teams.
Isn't the top u 14 flight playing at Tuckahoe farms?
Dynamo really is just ok. Toms river win it all. Toms river enough said. BOCA can't compete at this level????
Look guys, it is summer soccer and you really don't know who everyone has playing. However, with that being said, BOCA didn't show well at all and their issues are well documented on here. Not sure why they cant win.
Just one day after Boca beats Toms River 3-1 they are on here bragging about winning a below average tournament. If Boca can't compete and they beat you 3-1 what does that say about your team? Enjoy your 15 minutes in the Sun Toms River, because you will be diving back into irrelevancy at U-15.
Half of the SSC Dynamo was the Falcons. The Falcons were listed as the team playing until shortly before the tourney when it was changed to the Dynamo. How Toms River beat a team that beat them easily a month before and then went on to beat a highly ranked Harleysville team and a Dynamo team with half the team made up of the Falcons is hard to understand????????????
Toms River did not win it all, Pa state up finalist Harleysille beat Stonghold 1-0 in the final. So your enough said comment was based on looking at website which was wrong. You should comment and make opinions on things you actually witness.
I think if you look at the "enough said" quote you will realize that that the poster was not saying positive things about TR but more making a statement on the poor level of all the teams. EX. If TR can win against these teams then it must be poor comp.
I would be interested to know the make up of the Stronghold team this weekend, i.e. number of "A" teamers vs. "B" teamers, were they the "top" A teamers, etc.? I use the quotes because I know some of it may be speculation and who knows who really are the top of what teams, but having a clearer understanding of the team on the field would give me an idea what needs work on our own team.Don't flame me, I don't post often....
If half the falcons were there, they would have won the tournament . There were three falcons guesting for Dynamo, and the Dynamo players played well enough the whole weekend to make you think half the falcons were there. Toms River did not win the tournament, that is simply a mistake on the website. Harleysille 1-0 over Strongold Dynamo in the final in a pretty good game.
Hard to understand because what you state simply did not happen. 1) Toms River did not win the tournament, Harleysille did.2)putting SSC Falcons into the discussion is silly as only three of them guested ( two starters and one sub )That said, the Dynamo players did overachieve and play pretty well to beat Europa and tie Harleysille in group play as well as play them tough in the final.
Who said half Dynamo was Falcons? That's simply not true. Only a few Falcons guested for Dynamo. Also Toms River did not win the tournament. Harleysville did.
It's late July summer soccer tournament . Not relevant at all!
Ok, here's the story. I was a coach in that flight. I've seen the Falcons play before and recognized several of them. One of my players got hurt deep in their end of the field and their keeper was very sportmanlike and was concerned about my player. My striker was going to be fine and I asked the keeper how many Falcons were on the team. He said 6. I think he would know, wouldn't he? I'm just writing what the Dynamo keeper told me.
Why did Dynamo have any of the Falcons as guests? There were plenty of bench players.
Disagree with the poor comp statement. Europa , Harleysville and SSC Dynamo provided good even competitive games or each other . Not bad for a mid summer tournament.
Dynamo is not that good. Harleysville was good but lost a few players. SSC changed it to Dynamo because the Falcons wouldn't have received any points for this level of a tournament, where as the Falcons would. 6 guest players, come on coach, the rules don't allow for that.
Teams on the downslide based on the new GS rankings.NJ Force is down to 21Ironbound down to 16PDA down to 10wrong time in the players life to be on a team going in the wrong direction. College coaches wont be able to see you at these levels.
Since you are so interested ( 9:12 and 11:54) here's the real story. It's end of July so Stronghold fielded a team of who happened to be around. A mix of predominantly Dynamo ( B team), some Arsenal (C team) and yes some Falcons. Three to six depending how you look at it. Three regulars from this years roster, and three Dynamo guys who have played up on US club card at some point this year with the Falcons.That's why keeper may have said six thinking those guys may and prob will move up next year. All the U 14 boys prac together anyway so it is very common at SSC to field combo teams so those home uring a given summer weekend can get to play.Does that make it clear to you? What's your point and why such an obsession ?
Huh? There are only 2 teams in this age group. Hudson United and Stronghold. We have enough to write with those two. The rest need not apply!
Force at 21? I would have thought that with the leadership at NJ Force they would have attracted better players by now. Also, would have thought they could have trained and improved but they are really going in the wrong direction. Playing in lower end tournaments and state cups and not winning those.
There were not six guest players you idiot. There were three falcons ( count them as guests if you want, but for summer purposes as long as they from same club, they not even considered guests ). There were three Dynamo players who had guested for the falcons during the spring, so they are not guests at the tournament as Dynamo is their primary team. Fact is every kid was an SSC u 14 player, so really no guests if you want to get technical. Was it SSC 's best? No, but they played, did well, and had some fun.
SSC parent calling names. Answer this Mr SSC, how will those players move up and play for the Falcons if no one left the Falcons?
Stronghold Dynamo: Welcome to the top 20 in state got soccer rankings, so now you can get bashed with the rest of them.
7/30 11:54 Why did Dynamo have any Falcons as guest players? Are you serious? I am sure most teams in this age group would welcome any three Falcon players to guest, yet you criticize Dynamo for having " guest " players from within the same club?
You will see a different Force at U15. Much more consistent. The team is moving in the right direction.
Why will we see a different Force? Did you add new players (showing you cant develop your own). Did the players you have get better out of the blue? Force has not played top end teams and has not done well taking this path, what direction can you be moving into?
Easy there 3:58. I didn't criticize. All I did was ask a question. The addition of three guest players seems senseless considering there were plenty of players on the bench. From a numbers standpoint, adding 3 Dynamo guests didn't make sense.
Sorry I won't call you names. The answer from Mr SSC is quite simple. 1) every year one or two players move up from dynamo , while bottom of roster falcons either move to dynamo or opt to leave ( some stay, some go, about 50/ 50)2) the falcon roster was not a full 18 to begin with( now as team enters older age groups, it will be wise to have full compliment of 18)3) it is naive to think that any team at any level youth, academy, pro, will return fully intact and 100% the same as year before. That probably would not be a good thing.4) while we expect most of our players to return, a couple may opt for the academy route, and if they do , we will wish them the best, and feel we at least had a slight role in their development.5)some change is generally good, so ssc falcons should continue to be a very good team. Hard to say if we can repeat in state cup etc...as we realize how difficult that is and we respect the many good NJ teams out there, as well as several on the rise.Hope this clears things up for you. If not, you can continue fishing for various angles and trivial technicalities .
553 you don't make sense. Can't say 3 dynamo guests as that was the team playing in the tournament. You prob mean three falcon guest players. They played the final v Harleysville with a total of 14 players, so it seems the three falcon guests were needed as 12 hardly seems enough for a weekend tournament. Besides the players are all from the same club, it's a summer tournament, and their business how they use them. Don't see any point or purpose in your questions or comments.
Why the obsession with Stronghold? Honestly it's a little weird. Slow season I guess. Also, what are we all going to do to bash each other the next couple of months without the fall season. I may have to go back to doing my actual job.
so ssc dynamo have never won a thing but on the backs of falcons guesting they get tons of points and are now ranked top 20. enjoy it while u can because u didnt earn it
Pleeeeaaase! I saw all your best teams play. They do not hold a candle to the 99/00 teams in this state. The best U14B will beat even Stronghold...handily. Wake up! There is a new generation in this sport. Sorry, but you are not part of it.
5:48, I have a U15 and a U14 son (as of August 2013). They both play on a top 10 team and I can honestly say I have seen pretty much every top level team out there. If you are suggesting that the U14 teams are a better group of teams then the U15's you just don't understand what you are looking at. Actually, it really isn't close.
Top 10 team. What does that mean? There is a huge gap from 10 to 1! Maybe you don't know what you are looking at because it is clearly the wrong team(s). At DTS Penn Fusion #19 nat'l U13 on GS played 1-2 and 2-3 close matches with Stronghold and Hudson U14s with higher nat'l rank in their age group. And there are teams in NJ better than that. Sorry, but maybe your U15s aren't as good as you think.
548. No matter how good a u 14 team is, the physical dif between u 14 and u 15 is just too pronounced. That makes your above statement utterly ridiculous. If that age group in NJ is better than u 15 's did an NJ u 14 win at regionals?
This is a silly argument. You can take a great U15 team and they will still have a tough time with a good U16 team. Mental toughness, size, speed, all come into play. Yes, I am sure there is a U14 team that can compete with and maybe even win a game here and there against a U15 team but that would be the exception, not the norm.
I saw in a press release that SDFC are playing in the National League. What is this league and does that mean they wont play in EDP this year?
I saw in a press release that SDFC will be playing in the National League. What is this and does this mean they wont play in EDP this year?
Yes there is a difference between #1 and # 10, but the #10 U15 team will beat the #1 U14 team most of the time. Just the way it is.
Perhaps poster 548 is talking about academy 99/00 teams. Not a relevant comparison but I am pretty confident that the PDA 99s and Red Bull 99s would beat any U15 team in the state. Shame we can't test that theory but despite the 5 month disadvantage the talent on those 2 teams is more than a match for SDFC, EB, Princeton etc.
okay 11:03. so you will take PDA Messi over Princeton Black. I'll take that bet. I would even let you take your choice of the next few alternatives above them in rankings...Morris, Boca, sjeb. You will lose. All you talk about are physical differences. That is why you will lose.You forgot about this thing called playing terrific soccer. Perhaps you never heard of this little guy called Messi or his undersized team FC Barcelona? and by the way you will be surprised to find you have no size advantage vs Black.
To 8:17's point, there is a big difference between Morris/BOCA/Messi and SDFC/SSC/Marlboro. However, yes Messi would beat Princeton Black. Have you ever seen PDA Messi play?
Messi is a skilled team that plays the game on the ground. Very skilled players and winning a single game is not the goal. Messi would welcome a younger teams challenge I am sure.
This is an easy one to solve, have the SSC Spartans ranked around 20, play SSC Falcons....
Last spring some of the top 99/00 players in the state who did well at the Mundialito tournament in Portugal , played a friendly v Stronghold Falcons. While the young team did play terrific beautiful soccer and their team did benefit and get good preparation ( speed of play, closing space, physical size and strength etc ) , the result was very lopsided in favor of the Falcons. Kudos to their coach for playing tough comp to prepare,and for insisting the Falcons play all out, but there is no way they could get a result in a real match v top team a year up. While the young team did score a couple, the Falcons hit double digits and that was with their keeper playing extremely well. It's apples and oranges , a world of differences, and not even close.
At DTS Stronghold had half their B team playing and won the tournament, so your theory doesn't hold water.
At the regionals in Rhode Island , both NJ U 13 teams , Titans and Rooney, didn't even advance out of pool play, but you claim this age group can compete with SSC and SDFC? NO WAY!
SSC, SDFC, Marlton, Marlboro, Howell, and maybe Hudson would win that match every time. Ironbound is ranked 15th and they too would dominate.
I wasn't talking about PDA Messi. I was talking about the PDA Pre Academy team that won the US Nationals recently in Colorado. Messi are an OK team and have improved but agree with all the posters above that they would be outside the top 5. As for the 99 pre academy team (now U14 Academy) most of the players on the team (with the exception of 3 or 4) are January 99 to July 99. They are disadvantaged by not have some August 98 thro December 98s but on balance they would in my opinion handle any of the teams in the U15 age group. Sadly as I said we will not get to see that take place.
Good luck to the teams who are representing New Jersey in the Premier challenge cup tournament this weekend...I think it is only Hudson, Marlton and tsf
5:58 I was waiting for your comment. LOL! So predictable. ...half our SSC B team was playing blah blah. Sure! News flash. Penn Fusion is a B team compared to Black. To all the other posters talking about SSC, SDFC etc. Stop proving that your board is crazy. Truly crazy! And yes you were talking about PDA Messi if you were postulating a match between U15 #10 and U14 #1. You agree Messi is outside of top 5? Thanks for being able to read. By the way the sky is blue too! Messi IS outside of top 5. 2X outside. They are #10 on gotsoccer. That is a FACT even my 2nd grader can confirm. Now let's get back to the match. We are not talking about Rooney (#10) or Titans (#2). Both don't hold a candle to Black at #1. That is the match you suggested and you WILL lose. Sorry your kids are like the ones who were born too late. They missed the real internet generation.
and on a separate note...as for your SSC at #1 U15. They truly play top NJ class football. Maybe top regional class. Don't pretend it is world class. I have a follow on bet in mind with SSC when you lose the first one just to prove my point with a slam dunk. Meantime SSC has enough to worry about staying ahead of Hudson. They are the only one it seems to do it so far!
Certainly PDA is a good team and yes they could compete with U15 teams but what does that really say. My sons U15 team has 15 players and of those 13 are 1999's. So big deal, a 1999 academy team that can take players from a tristate area can compete with a non academy U15 team? Now, if that same PDA 1999 academy team could compete and beat U16 teams that would be something worth talking about.
Agreed, good luck to Hudson, Marlton and TSF, but lets be honest when #'s 89, 100 , 275, 50, 79, 109 in the region are playing it is just an average tournament.
If Princeton Black is so good, why weren't they at the regionals?
Hey U 14 teams , go on that board where you belong. Your comments are boring as well as off base.
At U 16 a very good team can play up and compete with a U 17 team, but difficult to do for the very same team U 14 to U 15, just too difficult a physical gap.
Are you seriously comparing Hudson to SSC? These teams are worlds apart. I don't know if SSC has lost anyone to RB and if they do then it would even out the playing field a bit.
SSC is a great team but there are other great teams in nj alone that have tied or beaten SSC look at Marlton who tied them and beat them the past two times they played
never said SSC was world class, they don't need to be. Only have to be better than you.
If Princeton Black so good and can play up, then stop sqawking on here. Just enter U 15 tournaments this year.
Black is a new team.
Why can't I seriously compare Hudson to SSC? I didn't, but who made you god? Last time I checked SSC did not win regionals and Hudson trails them only by a little in rankings. I'm not saying they're better, but get real. SSC isn't Barca Academy.
Would SSC lost to that team Hudson? Different league all together.
Hey 8:17 on 8/7Go back to the u 14 board where you belong and stop posting your nonsense here. BTW what happened to your terrific Messi and his undersized Barca teammates when they ran into a bigger, tougher , stronger, faster , Bayern Munich ?
You base your arguments on got soccer points and rankings, when the core issue of the debate is can younger teams play up and compete with older. Throw all rankings and points out the window, as it comes down to size, strength, and speed . For example many of the forwards and backs of top U 15 teams this coming spring will be close to six ft , and some over. How will a U 14 team deal with that? No matter how well they play, that will be an overwhelming obstacle.
Hey 5:48 on Aug 4 " sorry there is a new generation but you are not part of it". Well actually this age group is......New Generaton Tournamet ( Took the words right out of your mouth didn't they) starts this Thurs in Salzburg , Austria. Quite a field of teams as well. Group A ( Everton, Red Bull Salzburg, Hellas Verona ) Group B ( Bayern Munich, FC Basel, RB Leibsig ) Group C ( Manchester City, TSG 1899 Hoffenheim, Red Bull New York ) Group D ( Athletic Club de Bilbao, FK Austria Wien, Red Bull Brazil )The 98 Red Bull Academy team has some of the best players from the tri state area and many players who played EDP top flight this spring, were chosen for this trip ( three from SSC , two from SDFC, two from NJSA, and one each from Beachside, Downtow United, NYSC, and others.Point is the players from clubs you put down are getting international experience this summer, yet you think 99/00 can beat those teams. Funny how the age group you put down 1998 is what has been tabbed new generation by FIFA for this tournament. Funny how your own words come back to bite you. Hurry round up your new generation team and maybe you can get there by Thurs.
One of the above teams will win The New Generation Trophy 2013 ( last year it was AC de Bilbao of Spain) 1998 is the new generation and we are part of it!Now go back to your U 14 board , and wipe the egg of your face.
If the 98 RB team was so good, why would they need SSC, SDFC etc players?
I think the point was that 99/00 top teams can beat 98/99 top teams. Didn't state that 99/00 could beat an assembled all star team. Why doesn't RB just send their own team, why assemble a team of outsiders? Develop much?
Just because Hudson trails by only a few got soccer points? ......... Are you serious ? Do you really think that got soccer points indicate which team is better than another?No one made you god, but it Looks like you made a god out of got soccer points.
Agree with you, no one ever said SSC was the only great team in NJ. There are many great teams out there ( SDFC, Howell, Marlton, Marlboro,, PDA, just to name a few).
How did Hudson do at Nationals? SSC In a different league....
Those are the players who made RB 98 for the upcoming season, not guest players. A little common sense ? Huh?
So get your superstar 99/00 teams to play up at u 15 and stop going on and on about something that won't happen unless you do that.
Sure 99-00 teams can beat all the 98 teams via got soccer points only , not on the field of play. But got soccer points and rankings are al that matter to you, thus your many unfounded, misguided, and insane posts. But on the bright side, you sure are entertaining!
IMHO the top 10 ranked U 15 teams could easily beat the # 1 ranked U 14 team. It's not even close and a stupid debate.
Hey U 14 worshiper: you say our board is crazy, the U 14 board has a top ten list of upcoming got soccer point depletions! Now that's CRAZY!!! ( you prob posted that right? )
Hey a question for all of you fanatical , crazy parents: Ever wonder why there are hundreds of posts on the younger age groups ( u 12- 15 ) but only a half dozen or so posts on older sites ( u 16-18 )? Doesn't that tell you something?
Good question 5:12. You seem to know the answer. Why is it?
Hey 9:50AM. I never based anything on GS points. I said I have seen a few of your teams play and I'm just not impressed. Your top state cup games were pretty ugly soccer. Some top U14 kids are that size too and WHAT DOES THAT MATTER? Bigger is not better. Last time I checked Messi is 5'6". I guess he couldn't handle your U15 teams. Now for you other crazy commenters...I didn't make up the bet. One of you did and it is funny how you morphed the #10 U15 team to become the RedBull Academy. That is not the comparison and yes that is silly. It was #10 vs #1. There is no way to really prove it unless they scrimmage so stop getting so defensive. I think your anger correlates directly to your fear that I am right! I will say that the '00 and even the '01 years are the best group of US youth players we've seen. It's true. Sorry. I'm not the only one to say that. Not the '98s. Good luck to the boys playing overseas. More great US youth should get the opportunity.
So if RB trains and develops how could they have to add 6 or more players this year? It also has been made clear that SSC was not losing players to RB. If they did go sure doesn't make sense
Wrong. The 2003 boys are rated the best. Idiot.
So what you are saying is that SSC and SDFC lost their top players. I think that will impact SDFC more than SSC as SSC has a pool to dip into. Good luck to all.
RB did develop players and that's why they had to add. Three players were chosen for national residency while another three were promoted up to the 16 academy team.
Some SSC players are just in prac pool with RBNY
Last time I checked the 5'6" Messi and his Barca teammates got wrecked in Champions League by a bigger, stronger, faster Bayern Munich, so physical attributes do matter.
7:23 the answer is simple , the older parents finally realize that all the BS that's ranted about on here doesn't really matter.
No way to prove it ?? Just play up in some tournaments!! Not friendlies which are meaningless. You talk BIG so play up with the BIG boys and prove your points. Otherwise you just come off as rambling on and on with no end in sight. You try to come off as some expert. so what if you are not impressed by U 15 play. Guess what it gets more physical at that age, and guess what else your current 99 and 00 are going to play the exact same way in two seasons. Just wait and see.
Wow for someone who doesn't think the U 15 are good, you sure are on here a lot.
Why are you idiots taking about U14 on a U15 site? Who the Hell cares? This whole line of conversation is weird. When I first saw it 20 posts ago I thought someone was taking about comparing an age group of boys when they were both the same age. Are people really talking about if a younger team can beat an older team or vice versa? Who cares? It is meaningless. Keeps getting stranger in here ever day?
Why would RB need practice pool players to compete? Why not use their own team?
Parent of a player on a highly ranked U14 team checking in.Any claim that Princeton Black (who are an outstanding U14 team) are better than the top U15 teams in the state is about as silly as a claim that CSA (who are an outstanding U13 team) are better than the top U14 teams in NJ.Princeton Black could beat a lot of U15 teams. But not the best of them.
2:28PM. Bayern is great, but that may the dumbest comment ever. Keep picking the bigger, stronger kid. Good luck. I can't believe anyone serious about playing better soccer still thinks that way. I guess dinosaurs aren't extinct!
Simple answer To 1:24, RB NY dips into the prac pool when their regulars go to national team camp / residency or when they get promoted up to older academy team. This is the team they are preparing for the upcoming season. there is constant competition to be in the 18 selected , plus availability is not always the same. You have to get away from the mentality of a set 18 player roster or their own team as you put it. Academies sign as may as 26 and make them compete for spots. They also have some near miss players continue to practice with the pool of players, just in case someone leaves or doesn't pan out.
2:58, good answer but does that mean that the SSC/SDFC and other players that are playing for RB now are on RB? Someone previously stated that they were not. If my son played for RB and was in that pool of 26 and someone that is playing for a different club took my time I wouldn't be happy. I understand the academy system very well, this is there way of trying to get them to come.
SSC players leaving SSC to go to RB, doubtful on so many fronts. Coaches kids father will lose the pull he needs to have. There are good players on SSC, but the best ones are not the players that are practicing RB. SSC will be just fine.
ok, time to switch to the high school soccer blog, nothing going on until November.Wonder how many of our little wonders will be playing varsity:)not my little SSC player:)
Understanding you all have already heard much too much about U14 Princeton Black...They went tot the Spirit Kick off this past weekend and came home with a draw and a couple of losses.So maybe they should keep focused on beating top U14 teams for a while longer, like August 1 of next year.
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