Monday, September 9, 2013

U16B - Competition is thick, diverse and talented

What can we say? This age bracket attracts a lot of attention and several teams have very different rosters going into Fall 2014.

Better than ever.

Region 1 at this age bracket offers a lot of talent at the top of the rankings.
U16 Boys soccer is where the action is.

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Anonymous said...

BOCA, TSF, DOL Stallions, Princeton etc, you will all get your chance to compete with the higher ranked teams in the State comps. This is really the only place it will occur.

Anonymous said...

every SSC player used this weekend is on the team zero guest players.

Anonymous said...

A lesser ranked team that feels they can compete with a higher ranked team could arrange a scrimmage. I'm sure there are some underdogs out there that may surprise everyone.

Anonymous said...

Good for you SSC, welcome to the the world that the rest of us play in.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 11:36. I wish my team would do that. Why don't you coaches do this?

Anonymous said...

Let's stop the negativity against SSC and state facts:
They did not advance to the finals based on goal differential.
They lost to a better SDFC team.
They played very well the entire tournament.
SDFC is clearly the team to beat.
Great job boys!

Anonymous said...

What? Lets stop the negativity by being negative? SDFC and SSC or the Hatfields and McCoys.

Anonymous said...

SDFC parent, your team won. It wasn't an overwhelming victory. Your team won 3 out of 4 games. So did SSC. Your team beat them by 1 goal. The teams are equally competitive. Winning doesn't tell the whole story. Luck is always a factor.

Anonymous said...

Why cant we just say they are both great. Why not?

Anonymous said...

Because there are too many people on this website who think the only way to build their own team up is by tearing other teams down. Never understood that...

Anonymous said...

None of the teams being discussed are great. They are very good teams. If the hand ball had been called against SDFC in the waning minutes of the game against SJEB, Falcons would have been in the finals. Does this make either of those teams lesser than they are?

Anonymous said...

It makes you less of a man to even make that statement.

Anonymous said...

What does that even mean? He's being honest. You're being unreasonable.

Anonymous said...

Honest? In his opinion it was a handball but in the opinion of the only person that matters, the referee, it was not. Stop crying Stronghold.

Anonymous said...

I'm interested to see what happens at the Disney showcase. SSC and SDFC will battle again. If one of you wins it all, that will be very impressive. Very good teams there.

Anonymous said...

SSC and SDFC won't play each other but it will still be interesting to see how they do.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible that SSC and SDFC can get their own section on this blog. Let them bash one another and the rest of us can live in peace.

Anonymous said...

just here to say that the only reason sdfc won the finals in the edp cup, sdfc's keeper named dani veliu kept them in the game with spectacular saves in the dying moments of the game a little lucky with the post but thats part of the game congrats to them looking forward to see them in CASL and Disney.

Anonymous said...

Thanks dad

Anonymous said...

he isn't my son, my son plays for pda academy, and my son used to play for sdfc.

Anonymous said...

Your son plays for PDA but you were at the SDFC game, and your posting on here about SDFC. OK you are right, moron.

Anonymous said...

If the administrator of this blog reviews the posts daily, I have a suggestion that others may agree to:

Is it possible to create an SSC, SDFC blog? It would alleviate a great deal of negativity.

Anonymous said...

Actually, it might eliminate this blog. SDFC and SSC are the two that all compare themselves too.

Anonymous said...

Are you for real??? How arrogant you are. The world will go on without those two teams!

Anonymous said...

PDA parent, just curious, do you think there is a big difference in the level of play in academy soccer and the top club teams?

Anonymous said...

My son played for an academy team last year. Is there a difference, yes but minor. The difference is depth or lack of it.

Anonymous said...

the top players on both sdfc and ssc could play academy and many have some are back because they want to be able to play in HS, or want to play in their best position, or simply to get more playing time the above post is correct about the major dif being depth as opposed to level of play sdfc and ssc could easily beat lower academy teams that are creamed by NYRB and PDA ( Met Oval, Seacoast etc )

Anonymous said...

Lets be honest 1:01, or not asked back. However, there is no doubt that SDFC, Marlboro, SSC, Marlton and STA could all play with academy teams. Problem is they cant ever prove this because of the mixture of 98/99 and how it is done in the academy system.

Anonymous said...

To the person who posted about hand ball(handling). As a current ref it is definitely the most controversial and s jective call(noncall). First it has to be deliberate, second was the player making themselves bigger(spreading arms wide), third proximity. Finally did the player gain an advantage..all has to be decided in real time taking in level of play and flow of game..all this is why it is so controversial.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Tough call to make either way. Your plan has to be to play better and make the ref's decisions not matter.

Anonymous said...

" Let's be honest" ???? on an anonymous soccer blog??? now there's one for you!!!!

Anonymous said...

Super-y finals began today. Does anyone care about super y anymore?

Anonymous said...

9:29 my son gets playing time but for real i think its back to playing club its not because he hates academy, hes a quality player but he just misses playing highschool soccer, and academy takes everything too serious club is where it's at nowadays

Anonymous said...

I agree 100 % my son had spot on academy but chose to go back to original club team, main reason missed playing with his both on club and high school teams.

Anonymous said...

Good luck son and all the boys of SDFC in North Carolina. I hope you all represents NJ well....

Anonymous said...

There is absolutely no way that teams like Marlboro can compete against full academy teams unless your definition of compete is to survive the 80 minutes; pack the box; hope for your keeper to have a career day and hope for generous and sympathetic calls from the referees. Marlboro would be hard pressed to compete against the academies club teams. Marlboro does not do well against any out of state competition against average teams and they can't score goals when needed. They are a nice team for players of average ability and who at one time or another were on academy teams before realizing that they were not good enough to make the full academy team. The truth is hard to find if you are not willing to look for it.

Anonymous said...

9:50 You are such an expert. I am not a Marlboro parent, these boys are 15/16 yrs old. They are doing what is necessary to compete at a high level. Win some, loose most games- some of them are good enough to get noticed in spite of team losses. Coaches are watching individual performances.
So what academy does your son play on?
Btw, they are loosing to top notch teams. Those losses are better than wins against average teams.
My sons team is in a similar situation. The team is learning through this process and in spite of draws and losses, my son played excellent soccer.
Winning is not everything. Sure is good but player development does not stop due to losses.

Anonymous said...

Well that was random. Why Marlboro was even brought up is beyond me. Made me look however and their last tournament they lost 1 and tied 2 in the top flight of teams. Is that really a bad showing? So I looked at the one prior, they went 1-1-1 again in the top flight. I dont know what you expect but that seems like a more than respectable showing to me. Ok, if they were in the 4th flight and had the same results, maybe you would be on to something. Do I think my sons team is better, yes I do. But they will need to show it on the field as I suspect they will. Everyone said the same thing about the Falcons when they didnt win all of their tournaments and I had the same answer then, who does at the top level. No one.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, 9:50, please explain to me when Marlboro, SDFC, SSC play "average" teams. They are always in the highest flights. Clueless you are.

Anonymous said...

The word is lose...not loose.

The top teams are in the academy. The next best teams (level 2) are in some cases the state's #1-3 teams but even here, some states #1 are not that good. This is not a knock at Marlboro. But they are not a team that plays technical soccer nor are they big winners against the majority of games they play against level 2 teams. Let's not argue about the academies. They are level 1. The next tier is not a group that Marlboro has shown they can beat consistently. Saying that other NJ teams are equally average against other state's level 2 teams does not make Marlboro any better. They are a nice catch all team that still is in business and for average players is a nice soccer experience.

Anonymous said...

So Academy expert is also hanging around the club teams and has time to see them all. Interesting.

Anonymous said...

I can speak from an SDFC point of view. SDFC is a talented group of players and yes I do believe this team can compete with very well many academy level teams. I also have great respect for Stronghold as they have long been a great competitor of ours. In the past couple of years Marlboro has moved up the ranks, beat our team and we have since scrimmaged them a couple of times and they too deserve great respect. I am not sure but it seems someone has an axe to grind or simply does not understand the level of play these teams have attained. Yes, they will all lose matches, they all play top 20 teams nationally.

Anonymous said...

And the Marlboro strategy for recent improvement? Get rid of all of the Marlboro kids.

Anonymous said...

Hey Marlboro. They would not be talking about you if you were not good. You obviously have shown you can compete with anyone. Great job. And congrats to sdfc for a good win in NC today!

Anonymous said...

Why should Marlboro be held to different standards than everyone else? This isn't U 12 soccer, if they have players from outside of Marlboro it is because they are better. It is clear they are better now than they were SDFC doesn't have just Montclair players. SSC has players from all over. Marlton isn't all marlton etc. such hate

Anonymous said...

Let us guess. The Marlboro parent manager's kid is still on the team but few other Marlboro kids? What a surprise.

Anonymous said...

8:23 thank you for outing yourself. Everyone can now stop blaming other teams for the negative posts on Marlboro as there is an ex players father or mother who just cant let it go.
Now on to the important stuff, games today, good luck to all.

Anonymous said...

I was always under the impression that Marlboro was a town team made up of Marlboro players, at least the majority of the team is Marlboro players. The same with Marlton, Parsippany, Bloomfield, etc. SDFC and SSC are clubs that have players from all over.

Anonymous said...

They were until the dad realized they couldn't win with Marlboro players and the trainer/coach couldn't develop the Marlboro players. They then did what everyone else does. Recruit a better team.

Anonymous said...

Jealousy is such a harmful way to live your life. I give teams like Marlton and Marlboro credit for not only competing with the top clubs but beating them also at times. Parsippany? Bloomfield? You show your ignorance.

Anonymous said...

The issue is are they town teams or not. According to their websites, they are clubs for their residents. I guess since winning is so important, the fact that town clubs exist for their residents is ignored.

Anonymous said...

That is what you have? Town or not town debate?

Anonymous said...

Nutbag you are. Name a competitive U16 team that doesn't utilize players from all over? Hell, name a U16 team that has more then half their team from one town. I dont know the Marlboro situation but I know in my town most of the turnover came from players leaving not being cut. They all felt it was a badge of honor to play somewhere else. You must have serious issues even making this a topic at this level. U10, ok maybe you have a point. Move on and grow up.

Anonymous said...

sdfc beat pateadores, and santa clara, tied michigan jaguars and scottsdale blackhawks.... sdfc is doing very well on top of their bracket going into disney.

Anonymous said...

anyone know what is up with EDP website? When I try to go to it, some strange domain managing site comes up . . .

Anonymous said...

What? SDFC did NOT win every game they played? Just kidding. Some dope will feel they didnt have a good weekend.

Anonymous said...

Any other tournament news from the NJ teams?

Anonymous said...

SDFC is two games away from being in the national championships in Oklahoma, SSC? Thats a joke. SDFC is the team to beat nationally. They developed some great players and matured enough to win consistently, they only lost one game in the past 3 months.

Anonymous said...

Win when it matters!

Anonymous said...

Personally I am pulling for SDFC as I would for any of the top teams we normally play. If they sucked what would that say about our team? I would love to see SDFC win it all and then have the chance to beat the champs.

Anonymous said...

SDFC , the team to beat nationaly? my aren't we a bit full of ourselves? your hubris will most likely cause you to not even win state in the spring, what will you brag about then ? geez i thought ssc was bad when it came to this, but you have now taken it to all time low!

Anonymous said...

lol we'll see in the spring buddy

Anonymous said...

Who said SDFC was the team to beat nationally? I dont see that anywhere. Comprehension skills anyone?

Anonymous said...

Dec 15 8.34
No one likes a braggart.

Anonymous said...

i dont see anyone bragging, please show me where this occurred. Tough to be on top SDFC, people make S up.

Anonymous said...

SDFC did beat both current National Champions this month

USYS National Champions lost to SDFC 3-2 in National league play this past week in NC.

USCLub National Champions SSC lost to SDFC 3-2 earlier this month at the EDP Cup.

Nice Job SDFC. We look forward to playing you in the spring.

Anonymous said...

Who are those teams?

Anonymous said...

Current USYS National Champion is Pateadores from Southern California.

Anonymous said...

Wow, SDFC must be amazing. My sons team will not play them ever but I hope to be able to catch a game down in Hammonton in the spring.

Anonymous said...

Just reading this months comments. It appears that there are instigators on here starting fights. My son playsbfor SJEB and I was at the EDP cup games. I have to say that SSC and SDFC were clearly the best two teams. Hota got mowed down again by NJ. As for the SSC/SDFC game. SDFC got a fake foul and a PK goal. Any team would take the goal and players flopping in the box all the way up to the pros is normal. However SDFC had a hand ball in their own box and the ref said play on and didn't give SSC the PK. Unfair but part of the game. SSC was controlling the tempo of the entire game and should have won. However it wasn't their day and it is what it is. Any giving day either of those two teams can win. What I was surprised about was to see all the parents positively chatting with each bother and the boys are all friends with each other. There is no hatred between both teams.. It's all made up on this blog.

Anyway SJEB will continue to be at the top and I predict a 1st or second place win in both state cups. Good luck to all and keep it fun for the boys.

Anonymous said...

Just reading this months comments. It appears that there are instigators on here starting fights. My son playsbfor SJEB and I was at the EDP cup games. I have to say that SSC and SDFC were clearly the best two teams. Hota got mowed down again by NJ. As for the SSC/SDFC game. SDFC got a fake foul and a PK goal. Any team would take the goal and players flopping in the box all the way up to the pros is normal. However SDFC had a hand ball in their own box and the ref said play on and didn't give SSC the PK. Unfair but part of the game. SSC was controlling the tempo of the entire game and should have won. However it wasn't their day and it is what it is. Any giving day either of those two teams can win. What I was surprised about was to see all the parents positively chatting with each bother and the boys are all friends with each other. There is no hatred between both teams.. It's all made up on this blog.

Anyway SJEB will continue to be at the top and I predict a 1st or second place win in both state cups. Good luck to all and keep it fun for the boys.

Anonymous said...

1:03, I didnt believe you the first time and since you posted it twice I had the chance to not believe you again.

Anonymous said...

All friends? No jealousy? Polite in person but plenty of back stabbing when you're not looking.
Parents are worse than the kids.

Anonymous said...

SJEB parent chose to watch SSC rather than watch their own son who played at the same time? Interesting

Anonymous said...

If SDFC and SSC are such fantastic teams, why haven''t they been given academy status?

Anonymous said...

11:23 the reason why they dont recieve academy status is because you have to have a few facilities, home fields.. etc.

Anonymous said...

That is only part of the reason. NJSA has facilities? NJ had too many academies as it was, see the exit of MF. Fact is you will never know if they can play with or beat an academy team because the academies will never play such a game.

Anonymous said...

I heard that NJCSA don't have their own facilities and their going to lose academy status, Cedar Stars is taking their place. The academy system doesn't make a lot of sense.
All the teams in it are supposed to be top quality but top club teams are just as good as many academy teams.

Anonymous said...

How does that not make sense. It is like the rest of the world, it is who you know.

Anonymous said...

And money talks. LOL! Cedar Stars bought NJSA even though the club is 3 yrs, old,

Anonymous said...

They bought academy status. What does that tell you.

Anonymous said...

If SDFC and SSC are so good and as good as academy teams then why do they take the players cut from academy teams

Anonymous said...

8:00pm ....that's a low blow. What do you care where players come from?....clubs are not prejudice as to what clubs you've played before. So what is your point?

Anonymous said...

How was that a low blow? The conversation was is SDFC or SSC better or as good as academy teams. The person wrote that if they were as good why would they take players that were cut from academy teams. I think he meant that if they could take players they cut then how much better are the players that they retained.

Anonymous said...

SSC and SDFC aren't as good as all academy teams. I don't think anyone can argue that Red Bulls and PDA are outstanding academy teams. The top half of academy, very good. the bottom half, probably no better than top club teams.

Anonymous said...

I think teams like Marlton are as good as some academy teams. Without having seen both you would not know, but in my case I have. Just to put some perspective in.

Anonymous said...

It is idiotic to compare club and academy teams simply because of birth year roster for academy and Aug 1 cutoff for club. Who would SDFC play ? 98 or 99? pointless

Anonymous said...

Congrats to marlton for earning the right to play in region 1 champions league.

Anonymous said...

....good luck SDFC boys. Represent us well in Disney this weekend

Anonymous said...

great to see sdfc doing so well with about 1/3 of roster made up of former Ironbound/DOL players!

Anonymous said...

So what is it you are trying to say, exactly? SDFC needed new players? IB and DOL players are the best? IB and DOL cant retain players? What?

Anonymous said...

It's great that sdfc is doing well. They're all NJ boys. What SDFC implies and what they have said in the past is that they have developed all their players from an early age. This is simply not true for their club or any other club. Players move around.

Anonymous said...

Interesting, so who from Newark is looking to take this credit.

Anonymous said...

Stronghold way to represent

Anonymous said...

Congrats to SDFC for winning their group at Disney. Great showing by the boys. Shout out to their coaches and last but not the least- the parents. We have to sacrifice a lot as parents. Great to have them playing EDP, we should have excellent competition in the 1st division central. We should all be happy that a NJ team is doing this great at this level.

Anonymous said...

Good effort SSC. Better luck next time.

Anonymous said...

HOTA is where it will be this spring. Remember HOTA NJ.

Anonymous said...

Congrats SDFC, job well done. For those teams that have asked if they could compete with the top NJ teams (Flemington, DOL,) the answer is no. Sorry, it is a completely different level all together.

Anonymous said...

I would like to add my opinion on developing players in NJ. To see SDFC perform their very best against Some of the very best teams of the West and South on this Disney Tournament, something must have happened. Besides the team comraridy, the coaching, the individual skills of each player, the new players signed, the main thing is all year round training. Many clubs cannot afford a dome or indoor training during the "off season" and this, I believe is detrimental. I understand the cost involved may be high, but it is worth it. Again, my opinion is that many clubs in this state have to find a way to address this issue, so more kids and clubs could compete at a higher standards...any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

Aren't SDFC players playing high school soccer? How are they getting year round training? Playing in high school doesn't do much for development. Maybe SDFC should apply for academy.

Anonymous said...

Yes you are all going pro.

Anonymous said...

excellent result for sdfc. but i don't think it's so much year round training as much as a good mix of recruiting/attracting polished players to high caliber coaching in an organization that has the financial ability to travel to and afford the very top/high point value tournaments. can't really fault the formula, even if resources are perhaps biggest part of the mix. clearly there is very successful training, preparation, and competition going on. maybe the point here is that there are maybe dozens of players in area as talented as most of rangers roster who just won't have the access to the level of showcases sdfc does. have to admit that youth soccer in comparison to say basketball, is still mainly a pay to play sport--in terms of advancing from youth level into top college programs. once again, not criticizing programs like sdfc at all. more of an observation about the system.

Anonymous said...

Excellent comment. Agree 100%. Financial reasons are why I don't agree with anyone who says that no team can compete with the highest ranked teams. There are plenty of excellent teams who cannot afford to go to the top tournaments, Rankings are just a guide. not a guarantee. Tell anyone in another country what you are paying for your soccer experience. They will respond with disbelief.

Anonymous said...

Ok name that team

Anonymous said...

last comment is kind of irrelevant if you pay careful attention to what two posters ago stated because you really can't just name a team now from lower in the rankings that could compete RIGHT NOW with say SDFC. The point being that there is an institutional/financial structure in place that keeps this from happening because you basically have a field of teams made up of wealthy and not so wealthy--and the wealth build upon and create success by having the means to spend. so the rankings are both real and fabricated. they matter because they do actually reflect a difference in the level of play between the very top and the rest, but that gap is created by factors other than talent. These teams like sdfc are talented though. not saying they aren't. it's just that they maximize their talent in a way that many other teams cannot, due to the finanacial gap (not only between clubs, but between parents as well--and this is crucial). yes, the wealthy clubs often offer a scholarship or two, but the socio-economic differences largely persist and definitely correspond to the rankings (for the most part).

Anonymous said...

That is total BS. Forget the points and play them

Anonymous said...

what does that mean? how can points be forgotten and what do you mean "just play them"? Points can't be forgotten because they determine how teams are flighted in leagues and tourneys. Higher point values build on themselves though, because once you have enough points, you are able to keep accruing them at much higher rates than lower ranked teams. I think that is the point of all of this discussion--that this system rewards those who can pay enough (understanding that the talent has to basically be there as well) to keep feeding the ranking system. Guess its the best system we have for now, but it isn't actually a great measure of talent and potential. but its very American.

Anonymous said...

I agree with comments that money plays a factor in helping a team succeed. More money, better trainers, better facilities, top of the line tournaments and etc...

Anonymous said...

If money is the variable than I can assume that teams in NJ without winter facilities will not compete at such events? ....I guess it makes sense.
On the topic of points, you have to have some sort of objective measurement in order to categorize success.
...and as far as financial difficulty for some players, it is sad to see some are left behind. Definitely, a boring, but interesting topic of USA Soccer development.

Anonymous said...

I agree that you need objective measure--and points might be best way of doing this. I guess problem is that points can be kind of bought. But teams do also get points for league play. so it is possible for teams like Hudson a year or so ago, or DOL more recently, to move up in rankings. But it seems they can only get so far, or only stay up for so long. Not like perennials such as sdfc, stronghold, etc. don't know what better system would be though . . .

Anonymous said...

Fools. SDFC and other top teams are playing the best if the best. To get any points at all they must win the tournament. To win such a tournament proves how good they really are. DOL and other such teams have a much easier task in gaining points against inferior teams.

Anonymous said...

DOL is one example of an excellent team that does not travel to any out of state tournaments(except Delco). I think they would be competitive with any higher ranked teams. Didn't some of their players just join SDFC? Probably the players wanted more exposure through national tournaments but is their new team a lot better?

Anonymous said...

i don't think anyone is trying to argue that sdfc and other top ranked teams are not very very good. the point i hear and that seems to make sense is that there are many talented players and teams that will never get the exposure due primarily to $--and that is something that differentiates youth soccer from youth basketball and football (as well as track--not sure about baseball). maybe one downside of high school soccer not being important/competitive for the most part. the fact that college recruiting is done almost exclusively through the tournament system is a major factor in all of this.

Anonymous said...

I would like to ask what opinions people on this discussion have of D1 college soccer. I've been watching and have to say that (not to be a jerk, but) I'm really not so impressed. It's not a measurable step up from what I see in U16 now besides the athleticism and speed. Of course it's a step up in certain ways but from what I see, I'm left with the impression that much recruiting is done on basis of physicality/speed rather than intangibles like vision, creativity, and finer technical skills. I haven't seen enough to feel like this impression is exactly right, but what do other people think about this? and how might it relate to this whole discussion about ranking top tier club teams--since presumably this is where a good deal of D1 players are coming from (I know academy players are heavily in the mix too though).

Anonymous said...

Size my friend. Size. And yes some lower mid level teams have a player or two just not 15 of them

Anonymous said...

I have watched a few D1 college games. (Rutgers U). What stood out to me right away was the size of the players. In my opinion, the main things college coaches want are size and speed.

Anonymous said...

Bingo They take size over skill any day

Anonymous said...

...no matter how we slice this, it seems that size, speed, and athletic ability reigns over vision, creativity and fine technical skills in many coaches eyes. We see this in the national team at the present time. Compare the 1994 national team vs todays national team.
College coaches seem to be a just step above high school coaches?

Anonymous said...

Forget speed. Size is primary

Anonymous said...

Yes, and we see how size hurt the German team in the world cup. Such generalizations. Wake up. Look at the athletes in any sport (except jockeys) from 20-30 years ago and now. They are all bigger, faster, more athletic. Why wouldn't that be the case for soccer? And there isn't any argument that size is more important than skill - just that size AND skill is preferable over skill and no size or strength. There will always be the Messi, Arguerro, Teves, etc in the sport. But they will become more and more confined to being up forward. Except in the US - for some reason all the players on the U17 through U20 teams are the size of Tab Ramos. Wonder why. LOL.

Anonymous said...

SSC is consistently mentioned as one of NJ's top teams. Placed last in their bracket. Why such a poor showing at Disney? Lost one of their games 6-0.

Anonymous said...

Apparently SSC just had a bad outing.

Anonymous said...

Yes tab knows less than you.

Anonymous said...

6-0?? SSC care to explain? I am very surprised at this score.

Anonymous said...

Well it was 5-0 and then the other team scored again. Relax, it happens. They don't owe you an explanation. Kids get down a few goals and their heads drop and boom. Not an SSC person, looking forward to competing with them this Spring.

Anonymous said...

The level of competition at these events is superb. 40-minutes of soccer (they were 1-0 down at half time) doesn't define where SSC are if you look at their other results from the tournament.

Qualification for tournaments like Disney is success in itself and the players will have been seen by college coaches who dont look at the scoreboard.

Anonymous said...

Couple of bad calls, couple of bad plays and there you have it. If you think it is who we are you will have time to show us soon enough.

Anonymous said...

Stronghold losing because of bad calls? Anyone not surprised by that?

Anonymous said...

Totally expected it.

Every time SSC has a bad outing there were bad calls made.

It is never we did not play well. It is never we were overmatched. It is never we were outplayed.

It is always bad calls by the ref against us.

Anonymous said...

Really? Where do you see that in the past? I don't feel this to be true.

Anonymous said...

C'mon. Are you serious. You must be new to this forum.

Anonymous said...

The Champions League groups are out. Why is Marlton in the lowest group?

Anonymous said...

Lol. The lowest group of the best teams. Put it into perspective

Anonymous said...

Seem to remember something about a missed handball call against SDFC a month or so ago.....just sayin

But seriously, 6-0 games happen sometimes to any teams, SSC will be fine, just had a disappointing tournament.

Anonymous said...

No, one match. Maybe the best that could have happened as some now believe that they now have a legit shot.

Anonymous said...

...loosing by many goals does not mean much. Let us say it was a bad day. Remember, last year SDFC lost 7 0 on their first match in Disney. Now, loosing consistently by large score difference could be detrimental.

Anonymous said...

LAST year SDFC was a much different team. LAST year does not matter. It was a nice rebuttal by SSC however to get the heat off of them.

Anonymous said...

Champions league? What is that?

Anonymous said...

what do you mean last year does not matter, you still lost 7-0. It is still a lost by SDFC.

Anonymous said...

SSC are you a different team now then you were this time last year? Different players? Different growth? If you are, then you know that last year was different and no longer matters.

Anonymous said...

In 3 months time, all the teams will be different. Same players, but the level of performance will depend on how hard each team is working now. What's happened last year or even last week has no bearing on the results of the spring. It just has an impact on the all so precious rankings.

SDFC in recent performances have set themselves away from the pack a little, but there's a lot of teams in Jersey that could beat them on any given day and that's what makes this sport so great.

Between SDFC, STA, Match Fit, SSC, Marlboro, SJEB etc there's a lot of great soccer going to be played

Anonymous said...

Agreed, but one omission. Marlton.

Anonymous said...

You make a good point, but at this time based on the current SDFC roster you have to admit that this team is more then just a bit away from the pack. The team as set today is stronger and lasts years roster was very strong to begin with.

Anonymous said...

Would not most teams feel that way? Unless your team lost many players most coaches go into the new season with revived hope. I am glad these teams are having the success they are but lets not go over the top.

Anonymous said...

Staying humble is not something that comes easy but everyone should try to keep their feet on the ground. No team is perfect.

Anonymous said...

Correct that no team is perfect but show me a weak spot on SDFC. That is the reason for the recent success. Really a well put together group.

Anonymous said...

So are you saying their perfect?
Bravo!!! They will not lose a single game all season. Give us a break! They're only a human team, not a supernatural one.

Anonymous said...

What part of "no team is perfect" would make you think I was saying they are perfect?

Anonymous said...

Can't show you a weak spot now but maybe after the season. They are very good and off to a great start but let's see what happens after games are played.

Anonymous said...

SSC will be just fine.. For the record SSC did not have its full team at disney. They were missimg 4 starters.. They had 2 very competitive games and and a 3rd game that was 1-0 at half time..Good luck in the spring season to all NJ teams...

Anonymous said...

SSC always missing starters when they lose

Anonymous said...

For the record I just did research in the Disney tournament because of all the nasty post about SSC and SDFC. 16 year old boys can have great tournaments and bad ones. If you take the time to look up the ranking in both flights. SSC was in a much much tougher bracket based on got soccer points. SDFC had a fairly easy bracket with the exception of Louden that was also missing 4-5 starters. Regardless it a tournament and in the past.

Anonymous said...

Another thing. Seriously SDFC you guys are very ignorent. None of your players have college commitments yet. So get off your self proclaimed horse and let the kids have fun playing. Having major points or winning tournaments don't amount to anything but memories. So be a good parents and let the boys be boys

Anonymous said...

Defending both SDFC and SSC but clearly from SSC. How would anyone know how many starters were missing. Are you seriously stating that the SDFC schedule was not top notch. Get a life SSC and grow up

Anonymous said...

How do you know who is going anywhere? What makes you so all knowing on all things SDFC/SSC?

Anonymous said...

Will you tools shut up. Do you have any idea what idiots you sound like? you both must be 12 year olds.

Anonymous said...

It is a stupid conversation, but why is Stronghold taking the approach they are? My guess is that Stronghold feels they are as good if not better and SDFC has the resume to show otherwise. Reality is they are both excellent teams and stand above.

Anonymous said...

One team won and another lost, it happens everyday. There are a lot of good teams in NJ besides SDFC and SSC, but not everyone lives in Montclair, Glen Ridge, Bernardsville and Bedminster and can afford the best trainers and tournaments. You guys have put together good teams, but put some other teams under these circumstances and I am sure they can accomplish the same.

Anonymous said...

You don't PAY for playing in top tournaments you EARN the right to be in them by winning. Every team has that opportunity. Take a look at the player makeup of these two teams and you will find players coming from many towns that you would not consider wealthy. Enough of the excuses, give credit.

Anonymous said...

Top tournaments are free? It's a business. Travel to and from tournaments is also a big expense. The boys miss days of school and parents take off work to go with them. My son's team is very good and they love playing and there's plenty of good competition right here. If you want to think only the best teams go to big tournaments, go right ahead but I don't agree.

Anonymous said...

4:53, you contradict yourself. You go to big tournaments yet there is plenty of good competition here. What are you saying?

Anonymous said...

You're all forgetting that teams at this age group are now competing to showcase. The college coaches go to the big events, so kids who have ambitions of playing in college need to play in front of the coaches. Winning helps get the attention of the schools, but performances will get players recruited.

Soccer is a business in this country and that is unfortunate but it also provides opportunities for playing and life experiences.

We have all chosen soccer for our boys so they can develop life skills and character through sport. And if it helps them get into the right college then that's even better.

If you have questions or concerns about what all the clubs are doing and why, whether it be SDFC, Stronghold, Match Fit or STA then email the respective coaches.

You'll get more sense than the name calling and stirring that entertains us on our coffee breaks.

Anonymous said...

Just asking for the person who claims SSC did not have all of their starters there. So you are telling me that SSC went to one of the premier events in terms of college recruiting and multiple players chose to skip it? What could have been more important for a 16yr old very serious soccer player to do? Seems a bit nutty after all of the efforts they and their parents are putting in to play soccer at this level...

Anonymous said...

According to the above report it was "4" "starters".

Anonymous said...

Stronghold plays the, we had players that couldnt come card, but they do it on purpose. It allows them to bring guest players, the ones they really would like to have, to all of the important tournaments.

Anonymous said...

Those guest players didn't help them anyway. LOL!!!

Anonymous said...

I'm affiliated with a PA team that has played SDFC multiple times in the last calendar year. Watch SDFC right now and then comment please. I watched them play Loudoun at Disney and they controlled the entire game. Loudoun was not missing anyone, but had a key player nursing an injury. SDFC was very good last year, but are on a different level right now. Tons of talent and very organized. They are already qualified for Nationals and have 6 months to prepare! The idea that any of those NJ teams mentioned above are on the same level is ludicrous. BTW - one draw or loss does not refute my argument... this is soccer and upsets do happen, especially when you are already post season bound. When your team qualifies for Nationals, you should respond. Otherwise... compete for 2nd in NJ.

Anonymous said...

BS. You happened to watch a game and you know who louden had and didn't have? How is that possible stalker? You asked if they had all their players? I don't know if SDFC us better or worse because I have not seen them play but everyone is playing for first at this point As a matter of fact as strange as it may sound everyone is still chasing the team that won the championship last year and that is Marlboro who won both. Will they repeat or will SSC win? SDFC? Etc? No one knows so keep your false statements and lies to yourself

Anonymous said...

A team that's well organized and well coached has a huge advantage in competition. This is more important than the individual skills of players. I have seen many teams that get a new coach and suddenly can't win a game. Maybe SDFC has a really good coach.

Anonymous said...

Example

Anonymous said...

My son used to play at TSF and coaches would leave. Suddenly, the winning teams that they coached weren't winning as much. SDFC has had the same coach for a long time. It means a lot.

Anonymous said...

Look at all the top teams. They all have coaching longevity. They also attract the better players from other teams. Seems to me that players can make the coach and coaches can make the players

Anonymous said...

2:13. TSF was never a top team or even a blip on the radar. Coaches and players left because they new it.

Anonymous said...

I know. That's why we left along with other reasons. My son had 6 coaches in 1 yr. and that team just went from bad to worse.

Anonymous said...

ludicrous is the word you used to describe other teams and their ability to be on the same level as SDFC. Ludicrous is really what you mean? No one considers Holmdel a top team any more yet I cant tell you the last time that Holmdel has been beaten by SDFC. Many friendlies have been played and yet no SDFC victories.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars #8 in NJ. With MF and Cedar Stars in the mix this year maybe some of the so called top teams will be exposed.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars got 3000 pts. from playing super-y. That's funny when you consider the best teams don't play super-y. Not an accurate ranking of their team but we'll see what they do in the spring.

Anonymous said...

Who is Cedar Stars? Where did they come from?

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars is a new academy that is out of Bergen County but they also have a Newark club with a St. Benedict's Prep. affiliation. I think this team is Cedar Stars Newark. They're ranked very high for a new team.

Anonymous said...

Someone brought up Holmdel. I just looked, they are ranked fairly high.

Anonymous said...

My son used to play for Holmdel/NJX and we stay in touch with some. As we all know they did lose players years ago but they have rebuilt and retooled. They have high hopes for the group they now have.

Anonymous said...

Did Cedar Stars have a team that played super y at this age group? As far as I know, they did not.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it was a mistake and they are U15 or U17. Gotsoccer does that sometimes.

Anonymous said...

I think you're right. Cedar Stars does have multiple teams playing super y but I don't think they played at this age group.

Anonymous said...

The team exists, academy years are different.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars Newark is not academy. They play EDP.

Anonymous said...

How is that not an academy and where do they play EDP. Good press for them.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars has academy teams and club teams,just like PDA and HJCSA.
Cedars Stars Newark is a new club team made up of St. Benedist Prep kids and they are going to play in EDP.

Anonymous said...

They have 18 St Benedict players that are age appropriate. I think not.

Anonymous said...

Early rankings for the spring season? top ten or five?

Anonymous said...

pretty sure cedar stars combined with NJSA - and perhaps the NJSA team is now the one called Cedar Stars in U16 - I know NJSA played Super Y.

Anonymous said...

1:43
Cedar Stars owns NJCSA but the teams have not combined.

CSA Bergen- U8-U14 U14 Academy U13 Pre-Academy and EDP

CSA Newark- U8-U18 EDP

NJCSA- U8-U18 U14/U16/U18 Academy U12/U13/U15/U18 Pre-Academy and EDP.

Anonymous said...

Ramos and NJSA04 Academy tried to move to NJ Stallions a few years ago. Didn't work out. Now they're at Cedar Stars. Will see how it goes.

Anonymous said...

Top 5
1. SSC
2. SDFC
3. Matchfit
4. Marlboro
5. Marlton

Anonymous said...

Don't lose sight of STA.

Anonymous said...

Why Matchfit? They were ranked low last year.

Anonymous said...

Matchfit is an academy team that is no longer playing academy. Ranked where? They are good

Anonymous said...

we'll expect great things from matchfit. If you're that good, why wouldn't you be #1? And you are ranked on got soccer.

Anonymous said...

Academy is different.

Anonymous said...

Actually this is good that MF is playing the likes of SSC and SDFC. We will see the academy team vs the club team debate carry on.

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